Originally posted by UniOmni
True enough.But look at it like this.
Would you rather Powergirl defeat evil Ganthet because she dropped some mental blockage, or because she ate a magic plant that returned her to her fullpower levels and then increased her sunlight intake exponentially.
In one case, Ganthet loses to a girl who tried harder than she did before. That drops Ganthet down to a much lower level, since she's not the most powerful ***** on the block by far.
Or would you rather he lose to someone who had an outside powerup. It still sucks as a fan of the smurf, but it doesn't taste like piss marinated in shit. It just tastes like piss alone.
Ya dig?
Uh, yeah, when people, multiple people at that, are saying he's a match for Galactus, he's overhyped the point of LOLZ GAWD IZ STUPID11`11111!!
Darkseid is overrated. He's not strong. he's not cool. He's done nothing to put him on Odin or Galactus' level.
And this sight is sickeningly DC biased. Always has been since I've been here.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
No.That's why Nyr and Board Walker say characters can win JUST because they're from DC.
Nyr believes DC God > Marvel God.
BW believes every cosmic in DC > The Living Tribunal.Oh and let's nto forget that true Darkseid is a match for Galactus because, on KMC, he beat the Anti-Monitor at the height of his powers, can bend the multiverse and absorbed a pantheon of the uber-ness gods.
Yet, in reality, he used tech to beat a weakened A-M, used tech and prep to beat Ares and absorbed a pantheon of no-name canon fodder gods.
KMC = Home of the DC Fanboys...second only to Comixtreme.
For every Nvr this forum has, theres 3 xmeats.
Re: Darkseid vs The Silver surfer
Originally posted by Mindship
Darkseid wins.If Superman wasn't protected by the Source, he'd lose. But he doesn't because he is part of the Grand Scheme of that universe.
The Surfer has no such special protection. Golly, he doesn't even belong to that universe.
In none of the fights where Superman beat Darkseid, did his connection to the Source factor in. Nobody remarked on it.
It's forumlore, plain and simple.
If the scans come that prove me wrong, i'll apologize.
Surfer against Darkseid??
Surfer 2/10
Man what are you people smoking. There is more than enough evidence that proves Darkseid is far more powerful than Superman and Surfer put together. The storys where Ds jobs to Supes is loaded with pis/cis. Yet some people still say ''IT HAPPENED GET OVER IT''. I mean its rediculous, Darkseids high end feats show that he is far above Supes. Darkseid wasnt effected by the crisis and before that he could own billions of pc Kryptonian level beings, so logically Darkseid should own post-crisis Supes easily. But I guess every crappy showing counts for a character they hate(thats not how you debate, READ the damn rules). Now back own topic, Surfer does not stand a chance against a well written Darkseid and when I say well written I dont mean the way I want him to be, but the way he should be. From what I heard Jack Kirby said Ds is supposed to be full fed Galactus's equal. And for those that believe Darkseid isnt a galaxy buster, it was shown that if his power wasnt around the entire Dc universe would be destroyed, I dont think Odin or Tyrants power is that important to their universe. Sadly even though I posted all this crap, people are still going to dissmiss Seid as Supermans *****. Btw can someone post the scan where the New gods were in their true forms, I've been dying to see that.
Originally posted by Validus
I can't and won't dig because Surfer's power up has already been shown on panel as not enough to make Aegis turn her head sideways. As I said before, he might as well have hit her with a water gun. In this case, he can't do anything but try harder than last time.
Oh, i understand that in regards to T^A. Giffen already showed us the status quo on that issue.
I mean if Thanos or some other above the top tier lost to amped Surfer, it wouldn't be as bad if he just tried harder. At least to me.
Thanos is much lower in personal power than Galactus.
Originally posted by NikkolasYou don't know jack, and thats not how you debate, your completely ignoring feats.
Uh, yeah, when people, multiple people at that, are saying he's a match for Galactus, he's overhyped the point of LOLZ GAWD IZ STUPID11`11111!!Darkseid is overrated. He's not strong. he's not cool. He's done nothing to put him on Odin or Galactus' level.
And this sight is sickeningly DC biased. Always has been since I've been here.
You stoned? There is a DEFINITE Marvel Bias on this forum. It's ridiculously obvious.
Not even close.
*looks back at Superman vs. Surfer thread where multiple people say Supes can KO Surfer with one punch*
*looks back at Darkseid vs. Odin where people say DS can bend the multiverse and defeat the Anti-Monitor*
And those are the only recent ones that come to mind.
KMC Darkseid is an equal to Galactus. What more evidence do you need that this place is DC biased on cosmic levels.
We're all wrong and Nikkolas is right.
Exactly.
You all are just saying stuff with no proof.
Everything I stated has happened in multiple threads.
I'm supporting my claim. All you're doing is making baseless statements.
You don't know jack, and thats not how you debate, your completely ignoring pis/cis.
Do you want me to look up the half-dozen topics where people say Darkseid is Galactus or Odin-level?
*looks back at Superman Vs Surfer thread where multiple people say Surfer will take a hit from Superman and then ASK for another hit*
*looks back at Surfer Vs JLA thread where multiple people say Surfer can solo the League*
*looks back at posters saying Marvel's God was more powerful than DC's God because he created a bigger multiverse*
*looks back at every Superman vs Hulk thread somehow having multiple pages of debate*
*looks back at multi page Magneto Vs Green Lantern thread with a close vote*
*looks back at multiple posters say Surfer is more versatile than Green Lantern*
*looks back at a certain someone saying Hulk throwing Cap's shield from a 10 foot distance will take Superman's head off*
Nikkolas, to be honest, only Nvr, Kurash and BW believe Darkseid operates on those levels.
They don't represent the majority.
I still maintain that the posters of value don't lean a certain way.
And imo, the pis/cis thing is laughable.
Superman without cis as it's called here, would either end every comic at page 15, or lose and die at page 15.
Flash is the same way, unless you factor in character personalities.
It makes debating much more rewarding.
CIS!!! Darkseid without CIS would zap him and scatter his atoms to the cosmic wind!@
CIS@!! Surfer would open a blackhole, and zip around them at one hundred times lightspeed and blast Superman and the rest of the big seven into and he wins!!
CIS and PIS gave way to the thread of Surfer vs the Big Seven. And truely, without CIS he'd have a decent chance at winning it.
CIS and PIS are acronyms created for showings you don't like.