Originally posted by NikkolasIf we're talking about traveling in a straight line, then ok.
Surfer is billions of times the speed of light,
But can you name one time SS has moved at those speeds while fighting an opponent? 😕
Originally posted by Nikkolas🤨
can transmute T&A into dog shit and won't be effected because he can withstand supernovas...and this was all PRE-UPGRADE.
So does something in this rant mean that you think SS can control/withstand the OE? 🤨
Originally posted by UniOmniI really gotta buckle down and read SSOV again. I remember reading through them as they came out like "WTF is going on?!!"
If Surfer does to T^A what Superman has done repeatedly to Darkseid recently, then i won't rate them as highly as i would've before.Darkseid stock drops due to losing to a herald level character, so does T^A.
If you want me to accept Superman beating up Darkseid because he's just THAT powerful, then Surfer gets a few outta 5 as well against Uxas.
I really hope Giffen doesn't do what Casey and Schultz did to Superman, to Surfer as well. Thats not creative writing.
I'd rather Surfer pull some exotic time manipulation feat out his ass, and repair the Klyn prison or shift them forward or backward in time than he just straight up overpower them.
Thats jobbing plain and simple.
And for the record, Seven Soldiers cosmic storyline trumps the uninspired bugman paranoia of Annihilation.I don't really like GAM stories, but this was clearly head and shoulders above the competition.
Originally posted by Juntai
I honestly see Surfer as more versatile, but Superman as more straight up powerful. It's certainly reflected in the comics, where Superman can take on some of the most powerful people in this or any reality, while Surfer -- while powerful -- most certainly doesn't play on that same level. The minute he runs into a higher end threat, he may as well be -- as Validus suggested -- shooting a water gun.And even IF we use Darkseid as closer to Thanos level, rather than closer to Odin level.. the truth remains, that both of them have no difficulty in dispatching Surfer. While the same is not true of Superman.
Do you think that raises Superman up, or lowers Darkseid?
Cuz i don't care how angry he gets...
It doesn't make Darkseid look like a skyfather type to get stalemated by Superman.
And Superman facing a Galactus level threat.........
He would've went the way of his more durable contemporary DD, if not saved by Darkseid.
It's one thing to say Superman can go toe to toe with above the top tier threats.
Its another to make it seem like he'd do any better, when we can look at OWAW as an indication of what would've happened had he been in the same situation.
Originally posted by Juntai
I honestly see Surfer as more versatile, but Superman as more straight up powerful. It's certainly reflected in the comics, where Superman can take on some of the most powerful people in this or any reality, while Surfer -- while powerful -- most certainly doesn't play on that same level. The minute he runs into a higher end threat, he may as well be -- as Validus suggested -- shooting a water gun.And even IF we use Darkseid as closer to Thanos level, rather than closer to Odin level.. the truth remains, that both of them have no difficulty in dispatching Surfer. While the same is not true of Superman.
So does something in this rant mean that you think SS can control/withstand the OE?
No.
I was talking about why it makes sense for Surfer to beat T%A.
Surfer >>>> them due to powerset. He can do tons of things they can't.
It has nothing to do with Darkseid.
And Superman would have no chance whatsoever against Thanos.
Originally posted by UniOmni
If Surfer does to T^A what Superman has done repeatedly to Darkseid recently, then i won't rate them as highly as i would've before.Darkseid stock drops due to losing to a herald level character, so does T^A.
That'd be a hard one though.
I'd still give the majority to Odin naturally, but i'd rather an amped/upgraded Surfer take down Odin or Thanos, than a guy who merely drops some mental blocks.
One is a cheap but telling storytelling tactic, and the other is a cheaper storytelling tactic that basically amounts to, he didn't want it badly enough before.
I like anime, but that shit is the pitz.
See, I agree with that. T&A would lose their Galactus level tag as far as I'm concerned if they lose to Surfer but I'm saying on this, slightly Marvel biased forum, that wouldn't happen. We'd probably see Surfer Vs Odin threads flooding the forum instead and he'd be even more celebrated than he already is.
What forum are you on?
This site is so DC biased it's downright sickening.
Originally posted by UniOmni
That'd be a hard one though.I'd still give the majority to Odin naturally, but i'd rather an amped/upgraded Surfer take down Odin or Thanos, than a guy who merely drops some mental blocks.
One is a cheap but telling storytelling tactic, and the other is a cheaper storytelling tactic that basically amounts to, he didn't want it badly enough before.
I like anime, but that shit is the pitz.
Originally posted by Validus
Well that's impossible to say because we haven't seen how Surfer wins yet but the Giffen comment about Galactus being impressed by Norrin certainly implies its just as cheap as anything you want to tag on Superman.
True enough.
But look at it like this.
Would you rather Powergirl defeat evil Ganthet because she dropped some mental blockage, or because she ate a magic plant that returned her to her fullpower levels and then increased her sunlight intake exponentially.
In one case, Ganthet loses to a girl who tried harder than she did before. That drops Ganthet down to a much lower level, since she's not the most powerful ***** on the block by far.
Or would you rather he lose to someone who had an outside powerup. It still sucks as a fan of the smurf, but it doesn't taste like piss marinated in shit. It just tastes like piss alone.
Ya dig?
s that why some users in these forums say a Marvel characters wins in a given thread, JUST because that character is from Marvel?
No.
That's why Nyr and Board Walker say characters can win JUST because they're from DC.
Nyr believes DC God > Marvel God.
BW believes every cosmic in DC > The Living Tribunal.
Oh and let's nto forget that true Darkseid is a match for Galactus because, on KMC, he beat the Anti-Monitor at the height of his powers, can bend the multiverse and absorbed a pantheon of the uber-ness gods.
Yet, in reality, he used tech to beat a weakened A-M, used tech and prep to beat Ares and absorbed a pantheon of no-name canon fodder gods.
KMC = Home of the DC Fanboys...second only to Comixtreme.