RotS Darth Sidious VS Three YV Slayers

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Its funny, now that I think about it your right I can recall a few times with the Sith apprentice being called a DLOTS but I never took it as the same. Even around here when we refer to the DLOTS we usually mean it to refer to the DLOTS, meaning the top guy. Normally though most Sith are just referred to in passing as "Sith Lord's" so its really hard to compile anything. Personally I only ever use the term "DLOTS" to refer to the Dark Lord, and all other Sith I just call Sith Lords.

I think the expression was popularized of entitling both Sith Lords as "Dark Lord of the Sith" when Palpatine was active; but Maul, Dooku, and Vader have all, often, been referred to as the "Dark Lord of the Sith". Sidious is obviously more powerful than all three of them, and the Sith Master, but they share the "Sith Lord" and DLotS titles.

Originally posted by Gideon
I think the expression was popularized of entitling both Sith Lords as "Dark Lord of the Sith" when Palpatine was active; but Maul, Dooku, and Vader have all, often, been referred to as the "Dark Lord of the Sith". Sidious is obviously more powerful than all three of them, and the Sith Master, but they share the "Sith Lord" and DLotS titles.

True enough. I never really put much thought into it though and I dont really ever intend too. lol

Originally posted by Gideon
Actually, Battlemaster, you're quite wrong. You have a single canon source dictating that there is "only one Dark Lord", but let's put things into perspective: that single source is Path of Destruction, and the passage you cited makes reference to Darth Bane's plans and intent for the Rule of Two. It doesn't have any bearing on what Sidious or Maul called themselves, as Bane was long dead before either of them were born.

On the other hand, Darth Sexy and Nebaris have also given you canon sources dictating that even the Sith apprentices were called "Dark Lord of the Sith". In fact, if you'd like to get technical, the dozens of novels that span the OT area always refer to Darth Vader as "the Dark Lord of the Sith" by the omniscient narrator - and yet Vader was still the Emperor's apprentice at the time.

So, we have dozens of sources and a sourcebook dictating that both the apprentice and master were called "Dark Lords" as opposed to your single source.

The evidence is vastly in our favor, and you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Period.

Guess you don't.
In the OT movies the word "Dark Lord" was never mentioned.
Many people assumed it was just the regular title of the Sith and not a singular leadership position.
And just to refresh your memory, Bane's interpretation of the Rule of Two (Which he completely agreed with and practiced to its every nuance) was the same method that Sidious utilised in his reign.

Gideon, you seriously need to re-learn your knowledge of the Sith.

And no, Sith Master was a title cooked up by the Brotherhood, and Bane saw how retarded they were, since they decided to make all the Sith Dark Lords.

It would be like making everyone in the Senate a President. 🙄

But then again, I guess that's alright, isn't it?

Originally posted by Gideon
but they share the "Sith Lord" and DLotS titles.

Sith don't share anything.

Especially power.

Also, remember that in the rule of two, the apprentice will have to usurp the Mantle of their master.

The Mantle of Dark Lord.

Remember there are many people out there that don't know the difference between a Dark Lord and a Sith Lord.
I'd bet hundreds of dollars alot of the Comic Book writers and especially the early novel writers didn't.

They probally never thought about it either.
But thats what helped to create this retarded inconsistancy, which Path of Destruction helped to destroy.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
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It would be like making everyone in the Senate a President. 🙄 [/B]

Or, thinking about it more closely, It would be like making a prince a King just like his father and having two Kings ruling the same Kingdom.

Royalty of that kind works on total power and control.

The Sith work in the very same way. They don't share any kind of power.

Use the edit button please.

What would you like me to edit?

You seem so confident and sure of yourself, and yet this very simple logic is apparently beyond your capacity to understand, so let me try to "enlighten" you one final time. Then, someone else - like Nebaris or Darth Sexy - can take up the reigns and argue. They won't be nearly as patient as I will be.

a.) Bane's plans for the Rule of Two do not necessarily apply. Why? Because Bane himself was dead before Sidious or Maul were ever conceived; thus, his quotes do not apply, as simply because Bane said that "this is the way the Sith shall be" doesn't mean that Palpatine actually executed it, verbatim.

In the OT movies the word "Dark Lord" was never mentioned.

I never claimed that the movies mentioned them, now did I? I said that the "novels that span the OT" always referred to Darth Vader as "the Dark Lord of the Sith". If you think I'm bluffing or lying, pick up a book like Shadows of the Empire or The Mandalorian Armor which describe Vader as "the Dark Lord of the Sith".

And no, Sith Master was a title cooked up by the Brotherhood, and Bane saw how retarded they were, since they decided to make all the Sith Dark Lords.

Yeah, it's obvious you have no idea in regards to what the hell you're talking about. Sith "master" and Sith "apprentice" are titles that have been used to describe the relationship between the two Sith Lords in the entire SW continuity. I don't recall Vader asking Sidious: "what is thy bidding, boss man?".

Sidious is the Sith "Master". Vader is the Sith "Apprentice". Both are Sith Lords. Both are Dark Lords of the Sith.

Quit arguing, 'cuz you're very, very wrong.

Edit: He means that if you have something to add or post five minutes after you've completed another post, simply edit the previous post and add it in. You've made five posts in a row.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
What would you like me to edit?

Nothing now, but it would be good if you instead of making 3 other posts just edited and put it in your first, so it doesn't take to much space. Not saying this to be mean, and not saying it because I care about who does what in a forum, but because you could get a warning from the mods, which could be easily avoided. 😉

Originally posted by Gideon
You seem so confident and sure of yourself, and yet this very simple logic is apparently beyond your capacity to understand, so let me try to "enlighten" you one final time. Then, someone else - like Nebaris or Darth Sexy - can take up the reigns and argue. They won't be nearly as patient as I will be.

Yeah, Im confident because Im right.
And your going to "enlighten" me? You can't do that If your wrong.
Great, Nebaris? I've heard good things about him...
Darth Sexy is a great debator and I'd be honored to take him on, but I don't feel the same way about you.

a.) Bane's plans for the Rule of Two do not necessarily apply. Why? Because Bane himself was dead before Sidious or Maul were ever conceived; thus, his quotes do not apply, as simply because Bane said that "this is the way the Sith shall be" doesn't mean that Palpatine actually executed it, verbatim.

Duh Bane was dead before Sdious was around. That generally happens with old age.
And Bane agreed with Revan's rule of two and taught it to Zannah who taught it down the line until it ended with Sidious.
Thus being two Sith.

I never claimed that the movies mentioned them, now did I? I said that the "novels that span the OT" always referred to Darth Vader as "the Dark Lord of the Sith". If you think I'm bluffing or lying, pick up a book like Shadows of the Empire or The Mandalorian Armor which describe Vader as "the Dark Lord of the Sith".

I know your not bluffing. Im pretty sure I've read more SW book than you ever have.
My point was that the people who wrote those books probally didn't really think about what a Dark Lord actually was, they just thought it made Vader sound powerful and cool.
Otherwise, we wouldn't have gotten to this ridiculous inconsistency.

Yeah, it's obvious you have no idea in regards to what the hell you're talking about. Sith "master" and Sith "apprentice" are titles that have been used to describe the relationship between the two Sith Lords in the entire SW continuity. I don't recall Vader asking Sidious: "what is thy bidding, boss man?".

The term "Sith Master" itself is never officially applied in SW(Amongst true Sith).
And Duh, Vader says, "What is thy bidding my Master?"
Instead of,
"What is thy bidding my Sith Master?"

Sidious is the Sith "Master". Vader is the Sith "Apprentice". Both are Sith Lords. Both are Dark Lords of the Sith.

Sidious is the Master and leader of the Sith.
Vader is the student and follower.

Both are not Dark Lords.

Sith don't share power.

Quit arguing, 'cuz you're very, very wrong.

Your as wrong as your grammar.

Edit: He means that if you have something to add or post five minutes after you've completed another post, simply edit the previous post and add it in. You've made five posts in a row.

Thank you.

Yeah, I'm confident because I'm right.
And your going to "enlighten" me? You can't do that If your wrong.
Great, Nebaris? I've heard good things about him...
Darth Sexy is a great debater and I'd be honored to take him on, but I don't feel the same way about you.

Duh Bane was dead before Sidious was around. That generally happens with old age.
And Bane agreed with Revan's rule of two and taught it to Zannah who taught it down the line until it ended with Sidious.
Thus being two Sith.

I know your not bluffing. I'm pretty sure I've read more SW book than you ever have.
My point was that the people who wrote those books probably didn't really think about what a Dark Lord actually was, they just thought it made Vader sound powerful and cool.
Otherwise, we wouldn't have gotten to this ridiculous inconsistency.

The term "Sith Master" itself is never officially applied in SW(Amongst true Sith).
And Duh, Vader says, "What is thy bidding my Master?"
Instead of,
"What is thy bidding my Sith Master?"

Sidious is the Master and leader of the Sith.
Vader is the student and follower.

Both are not Dark Lords.

Sith don't share power.

Your as wrong as your grammar.

Thank you.

I thought I should do it that way so you don't get confused. 😄

Yeah, I'm confident because I'm right.

Try "deluded".

And your going to "enlighten" me? You can't do that If your wrong.

Then, I suppose it's fortunate that I'm not.

Great, Nebaris? I've heard good things about him...

Annoying at times, yes, but capable of creating a persistent argument.

Darth Sexy is a great debater and I'd be honored to take him on,

Yes, he's very underrated as a debater.

but I don't feel the same way about you.

I'm sorry, did I seem like I genuinely cared about your opinion? Furthermore, there is only one person and one person alone who impresses me as a debater, so it isn't you, and thus I can say to you that the feeling is mutual.

Duh Bane was dead before Sidious was around. That generally happens with old age.

Actually, that genuinely happens when you're a.) human and b.) likely assassinated or killed by a Jedi.

And Bane agreed with Revan's rule of two and taught it to Zannah who taught it down the line until it ended with Sidious.

You are a sentient library of Star Wars knowledge. Thank you for telling me something that... well, is common knowledge.

Thus being two Sith.

Skilled mathematician, aren't you?

I know your not bluffing. I'm pretty sure I've read more SW book than you ever have.

Clairvoyant as well, it seems. Good to know that you're aware of just how many Star Wars books I've read in comparison with the total that you've read.

My point was that the people who wrote those books probably didn't really think about what a Dark Lord actually was, they just thought it made Vader sound powerful and cool.

Ah, well, here's the kicker(s):

a.) You can't interpret what an author was thinking. So, to say that "well, they probably just thought it made Vader sound powerful and cool" means crap. It's not your place to decide the intent of an author, so quit pretending like your opinion actually means something.

b.) The title "Dark Lord of the Sith" was still attributed to Vader on numerous occasions, and in numerous books. That is concrete, and you can't refute it.

Otherwise, we wouldn't have gotten to this ridiculous inconsistency.

It isn't an inconsistency.

The term "Sith Master" itself is never officially applied in SW(Amongst true Sith).
And Duh, Vader says, "What is thy bidding my Master?"
Instead of,
"What is thy bidding my Sith Master?"

I'm sorry, are you learning disabled? "Master" and "apprentice" are two titles given to the Sith. I said that Sidious was the Sith Master because (and pay attention, this might confuse you) he is a Sith and he is a Master.

I probably just rocked your world.

Sidious is the Master and leader of the Sith.
Vader is the student and follower.

Well, thanks Lieutenant Obvious. Working on your way to captain, I see.

Both are not Dark Lords.

Both are, I'm afraid.

Sith don't share power.

They share titles, or is "Sith Lord" exclusive to masters only, too?

Your as wrong as your grammar.

Right.

I think you mean "you're as wrong as your grammar". 'You're' is a contraction for "you are".

Thank you.

You're (notice the spelling) welcome.

I believe the Vong win. The Vong gave NJO Luke and Jacen Solo hell, so I don't think that I would believe Sidious would win.

You'd know all about that.

Yes it is.

He's a retard. Everyone knows it.

He'd kick your butt any day of the week.

I love you too.

Duh? lol

Your welcome

More skilled than you. 😛

I know because you sound dumb. 😆

True that, but the fact I've presented means more than your mongoloid opinion.

Yeah, and I was making a point of how most of the people, most likely didn't know exactly what it was.

What Path of Destruction says is completely consistant with the rest of the SW Universe?
Wow, news to me.

No, but I can see you are, amongst other things.

You claimed Sith Master was a title, not just Master. Genius. 😛

Heh, you could never rock my world, pal. 😎

Yup, and I already salute to you, General. tank

You are afraid. Afraid Im right.

Dark Lord is the central title of leadership for the Sith.

Sith do not share leadership. Bane saw that.

Sith Lord by the way, is the common high ranking for a Sith, like Jedi Master for Jedi.

Exactly. 😉

Thank you, General Obvious, Sir! w00t

Thank you. Hehe

Go back and quote me each time. I don't want to have to correspond your rebuttles with my own.

If your a good enough debater, you'll manage with what I've given you.

But If you can't handle it...go on, run away. 😊

Originally posted by Battlemaster
If your a good enough debater, you'll manage with what I've given you.

But If you can't handle it...go on, run away. 😊

Pointless.

a.) It's 'you're' not 'your'. 'You're' is a contraction for 'you are'. So, this way, it says "if you are a good enough debater, you'll manage with what I've given you." Your version, 'your' is possessive. It makes no sense and isn't fluid.

Really, didn't you insult my grammar?

Your as wrong as your grammar.

b.) It makes your rebuttle more organized if you quote the parts my argument that you are responding to. Just making a list of replies makes things lack organization and they don't correspond. I might address the wrong statement.