Originally posted by GideonActually, I understood perfectly. I simply made a wittier retort.Sure you did. 😉
[QUOTE]For future reference, this is the Internet. Emotion can be extremely difficult to trace, considering how we're not in person, thus, I cannot interpret inflections in your voice or attitude via vague text on a screen.
Really? Guess you'll have to develop your brain a bit.
How witty. Please, we both know that I am far from being retarded.
You obviously don't... 😆
No, I can all but guarentee it.
It’s guarantee.
You call Nebaris a retard? Even he could come up with much funnier and wittier retorts than this.
Somehow, I doubt that.
I have already addressed "sarcasm" and detecting it.
And I've already addressed developing your intelligence.
To be fair, you insulted my grammar first. I simply corrected you.
And I corrected you. 😄
I would give a sarcastic "how witty", but, frankly, but it's getting repetitive.
So is your empty power-posing. 🙄
Perhaps you should just stick to the argument instead of trying to deliver witty remarks.
"You think you're correcting me", by the way.
Thanks, now I'll be sure to "excell" in this! 😆
Yeah, I think you should stick to the argument.
Actually, I've thought about it, and the argument is kind of a stalemate. I have a source I can't prove, but because it is Canon, it can't be firmly disproved either.
What an earthshaking response.
LOL LOL!!!
You're not George Lucas. You do not determine "what is correct" and "what is not correct". I have a multitude of sources as opposed to your singular source. A source that is the intent of a long-dead Sith Lord which doesn't mean that Sidious actually executed it, verbatim.
A long dead Dark Lord, and Sidious did execute it. He was a known follower of the Rule of Two. That fact is very obvious.
Why? Because you say so? Very convincing.
Apparently. 😉
I didn't claim to be an "English master", LOL!
Heh, once again, sarcasm, that you can't detect because your too stupid. How sad... 😆
Yes, it does matter, actually. The sources that span Sidious's rise to power and Sith reign say that his apprentices were entitled "Dark Lord of the Sith". Thus, they apply more than Bane's intent.
Therein lies the inconsistency.
Nice edit. Earlier, you had: "it's excel not excel".
Nice try at trying to avoid the fact you misspelled something after saying i had poor reading comprehension. hysterical
No. I claimed that he was the Sith Master (because he is a Sith and a Master).
But his official title was not "Sith Master", which makes your wrong, and that which I pointed out.
That made no sense. From this point on, if you want to debate, stick to the argument.
The argument has technically stalemated itself.
All we're doing now is having a battle of the ego.
You came unarmed. 😆
Actually, earlier, you said I was a professor of the Stupid language. Now I am a professor of English? Interesting.
Sarcasm, but now I know your too stupid to detect it, so I'll tone it down for you some, hun.
First, you say I deserve it, and then you give a sarcastic "yay" when I attribute it to you? Once again, stick to the argument...
Stalemated, hun.
The PoD is, quite simply, wrong.
"The PoD is" Hmmm, bad grammar again? LOL!
Right. Like I said, what Bane "intended" for the Sith to doesn't mean that Sidious actually followed the instructions verbatim. In fact, the current "Sith Lord", Krayt, replaced Bane's Rule of Two with the Rule of One, thus proving that it is simply a tradition that any Sith can cast aside at any time.
LotF is even crappier than POD, which of course is perfectly debatable. ^_~
Actually you made a good point that he might not have followed them out verbatim, but other sources say he did, so it could still be an inconsistency.
Good, you've used the proper word.
So have you! clapping
Stick to the argument, please.
It's over, hun.
Again, that makes no sense. Stick to the argument, please.
LOL, I see that insult went over your head...
Sorry, I'll do jokes you can understand with that single braincell you call your mind.
I've already discussed sarcasm. Stick to the argument.
We've discussed the argument and we've proven POD can neither be exactly proven nor disproved.
We have reached an impasse.
Originally posted by GideonThere you are, then. We've both made mistakes, and yet you called me out first.And deservedly so. 😉
[QUOTE]No, that would be you're. It is a contraction for "you are".
Oooo, Now your actually spelling something correctly! clap
Sweetheart, I think we've just proven that you're no better than me when it comes to spelling. Might wanna lay off that joke. 😉
Heh, same to you. 😄
[i]Originally posted by Darth SexyWho cares if Dark Lord wasn't mentioned in the novel, it was mentioned in the book. Nobody knows when both the master and apprentice became dark lords of the sith, but we know Maul was one, and we know Vader was one, while Sidious was the other one, so your point is defeated.Right, a Dark Lord was defeated by a Padawan. 🙄
[QUOTE]Um... No
Yes, I forgot how the Sith share everything they get.
They aren't greedy or power hungry.
Thanks for reminding me! 😛
[i]Originally posted by Darth SexyThis is probably the only quote worth posting in that gigantic heap of shit. It's like finding a needle in a haystack. And btw, Escape is a better SW debater than I am, and you're getting pwned so far.Are you blatantly telling me not to show you any respect?
Fine.
[QUOTE]Where's the shared leadership between a master and an apprentice? Wtf are you babbling about?
The mantle of Dark Lord of the Sith, Dumb ass.
You just catching on to what I’m debating about here?
You better hope that you are a somewhat decent looking girl at the very least because you don't have much going for you in the way of logic or intelligence, and I either argue with smart people, or attractive people.
And I’m a very decent looking girl.
If I have to, I guess I’ll show you some of my spring break photos. shy renske
Originally posted by Apollo Cloud[i]Evenhe? 😛 Oh, it's on!
Remind me to be scared sometime. 😛
[QUOTE]Oh and BattleMaster, your the retrad.
Really? What's a retrad?
Boy, you sure sound like a retard right now. 😆
By the way, let's hope you're not somewhat decent looking, otherwise Darth Sexy will hunt you down and do you doggy style.
I'm a brown-belt in Tae Kwon Do, I'd love to see him try. 😄
Battlemaster, under normal circumstances, insulting my intelligence isn't something that irks me. Several people have done it, several times. Yet, even Darth Sexy - whom you apparently seem to "idolize" - has made the comments that your insults and remarks are out of place, as you have made a fair share of goofs yourself. So, should you continue to make these comments that not only are pathetic (due to the fact that you made the first goof) and the fact that you can't insult very well at all, I will be forced to contact a Moderator, and risk a punishment even directed at me.
However, were you to take some lessons from Nebaris or Darth Sexy on how to properly - and masterfully - insult someone, I'd let it slide. Some insults are funny (those are the kind I enjoy) and others merely betray one's own lack of skills.
So, stick to the argument at hand.
Next, we're not at an impasse. I have a multitude of novels functioning as sources, as well as a sourcebook. You have a single source dictating the intent of the Rule of Two, which doesn't apply. It would be the same thing as Sidious saying "everything is proceeding as I have forseen" when the actual reality of the situation is: it didn't. What Bane had in mind for the Rule of Two does not counter what Sidious actually executed, and if you don't believe me, perhaps you should consider that Nebaris, The Anomaly, and Darth Sexy have all sided with me on this and not you - veritable vault of knowledge that you may be.
And if that isn't enough, we can get Ush or Rex here (who can interpret what is canon and what isn't better than most) to decide just who is correct.
We already know what is Canon and what isn't.
We have reached an impasse.
You can't legitimately prove Drew Karpyshyn's novel is wrong, so you can't prove the writings and facts he presented in his book as wrong either.
Heh, as hilarious as I find it that you can't handle debating with a single person without getting a bunch of dirty people to fight your battles for you, If you can get a statement from Drew Karpyshyn that he made a mistake about the Rule of Two then you win.
If you can't however, and furthermore cannot stand the way I've made you eat all of your own silly words, then I accept your defeat.
So, cough up that statement pal. 😎
Remind me to be scared sometime. 😛
Damn straight? People do not want to go to war with me, I am a major badass.
Really? What's a retrad?
Boy, you sure sound like a retard right now. 😆
To quote one of the wisest and apparently fierce chicks ever - "Sarcasm? hehe."
I'm a brown-belt in Tae Kwon Do, I'd love to see him try. 😄
Well I don't know about that, Darth Sexy's a 500 pound doughnut eating trained sumo wrestler, so I'd watch out, lol.
You're not comprehending what I'm saying, Battlemaster, and if you continue to act in such a thoroughly difficult and stupid way, you can argue this with somebody else. I'm not insulting you, and I'm trying to make you see reason, which is why I've told you before - and I am telling you for the final time (next time, I will get a Moderator here) - to stick to the argument and keep the remarks to yourself.
We have not reached an impasse; I don't have to prove that PoD is "wrong" or "non-canon". I'm saying that what Bane intended has no bearing on what Sidious actually did. What Sidious actually did. I have a multitude of novels that give Vader the title of "Dark Lord of the Sith" and a sourcebook that labels Maul as such. In Sidious's case, he named all of his subsequent apprentices "Dark Lord of the Sith". This is unquestionable, and it is what I am trying to tell you.
Sidious, Maul, Dooku, and Vader were all "Sith Lords" and "Dark Lords of the Sith". PoD contradicting this simply makes it wrong in this case, because Bane's intent for the Rule of Two and what he wanted his successors to follow does not mean that Sidious actually executed the Rule of Two and the entire plan verbatim.
Edit: Some people have lives, Battlemaster. I am debating on two other threads, and I am wording my arguments proficiently. This takes time. If you do this one more time, we can get a Mod here. I'm tired of dealing with you.
Originally posted by Battlemaster
We already know what is Canon and what isn't.We have reached an impasse.
You can't legitimately prove Drew Karpyshyn's novel is wrong, so you can't prove the writings and facts he presented in his book as wrong either.
Heh, as hilarious as I find it that you can't handle debating with a single person without getting a bunch of dirty people to fight your battles for you, If you can get a statement from Drew Karpyshyn that he made a mistake about the Rule of Two then you win.
If you can't however, and furthermore cannot stand the way I've made you eat all of your own silly words, then I accept your defeat.
So, cough up that statement pal. 😎
Ok, I think we need to end this. We're discussing whether Maul was officially a Dark lord of the Sith, yes?
1. We have official sources that clearly state that Maul was a Dark Lord of the Sith, and that under Sidious' rule, both the Master and Apprentice were known as being Dark Lords of the Sith.
2. Your only counter is the preliminary thoughts of Darth Bane, before he even implemented them. What you need to understand is that Bane's original thoughts are subject to change, so your evidence is not as concrete as our's.
3. There's also the fact that while Sidious generally followed what Darth Bane had set down, he did change a lot of things too (Lightsnake, the expert on Sidious listed all of these things before), and basically destroyed most of sith tradition and built it around himself. So even if Bane's order had worked under Bane's original intentions, it's certainly possible that Sidious made a few minor changes. Perhaps he felt having both master and Apprentice named as such would make the apprentice feel more special and significant to the order, and lessen the chances of betrayal.
Now those three points should end the discussion one and for all, you can't possibly argue against them, so don't bother, and just concede. Personally, I agree that having both named as Dark lords of Sith is pretty lame, but that's how it goes (under Sidious' rule at least) so you'll have to accept it. But really, why does it matter? It doesn't change anything in these versus forums, it's pretty much irrelevant actually.
I'll erm, take that as a compliment, lol. BTW, why do people at EoD rate Alpha Centauri as some sort of Grade A debater? He's really not very good, and would get stomped by the best SW debaters. Did I maybe just see him on a bad day, or is that really him at his usual ability?
Edit - And really, it's not like Bane's rules really changed. There was still just one Master, and the second was an Apprentice, so Bane's reasoning still applied, just one minor insignificant change (the official title, which means squat in the big picture).
Originally posted by Battlemaster
Are you blatantly telling me not to show you any respect?Fine.
The mantle of Dark Lord of the Sith, Dumb ass.You just catching on to what I’m debating about here?
And I’m a very decent looking girl.
If I have to, I guess I’ll show you some of my spring break photos. shy renske [/B]