Originally posted by capt it up
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y05-2eUJjFA
lol
even cis on miky just goofing around though that does not mean he not effective. Even goofing off he dangerous combatant.
ciz hurts raph a lot more then miky.
that said though leo being the superior to any of them means team one wins.
leo is superior and could beat any one one team two.
raph coudl beat don.
Miky and raph if they foguth would be close to a stalemate and for a long long time
Originally posted by capt it up
even cis on miky just goofing around though that does not mean he not effective. Even goofing off he dangerous combatant.ciz hurts raph a lot more then miky.
that said though leo being the superior to any of them means team one wins.
leo is superior and could beat any one one team two.
raph coudl beat don.
Miky and raph if they foguth would be close to a stalemate and for a long long time
Originally posted by jinzin
never said he wasn't efective but he does get distracted easily he does loes focus easily and there's no guarantee he even fights raph...
cis hurts raph...kinda. It's like the recent exiles of phylocke vs. sabes.. once sabes flew off the handle she knew that he wouldn't do anything tricky but she couldn't make mistakes.. same thing applies here...
but yeah team one wins.
he does not get destracted that easily while in a fight.
raph tens to get mad however and use brawler tactic which are ineffective vs msot of his brothers.
though that being siad team one wins
is it was raph and miky vs don and leo it be a much better match.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
While I still think Team 1 wins, I don't/can't see Raph beating Donny.Leo would beat Mikey. Donny would beat Raph. Leo would be Donny.
skill wise raph has donny beat though weapon wise donny weapon would be superior to that of raph's. However raph is stronger and tougher.
also you have to take into account the fact that don bo staff is rather short. It actaully a good deal shorter then a normal bo staff which hurt him greatly here since he will not beable to keep raph at bay as well.
also if raph was able to get hold of the staff he would over power donny.
Originally posted by capt it up
no splinter trained leo.......leo trained the rest........
Um No Leo never trained the rest he trains with them. Splinter taught them what they know. Leo didn't learn first then pass it down. Show me where it says Leo trained his brothers? Yes I have read the original Mirage series. I'm missing a bunch in between the first issue and the City at War arc that ends the first Volume but I have enough along with a bit of vol. 4 and nearly all the Image series which isn't canon anymore but is still good to me along with a bit of Archie series and the first two issues of Vol 2.
Originally posted by capt it up
skill wise raph has donny beat though weapon wise donny weapon would be superior to that of raph's. However raph is stronger and tougher.also you have to take into account the fact that don bo staff is rather short. It actaully a good deal shorter then a normal bo staff which hurt him greatly here since he will not beable to keep raph at bay as well.
also if raph was able to get hold of the staff he would over power donny.
Err...no.
Both Raph and Donny are masters at ninjitsu and masters their specific weapon's ninjitsu. They aren't going to be disarming each other.
Donny's bo-staff appears to be as tall as him. That's plenty long enough to keep Raph out of close-range.
And overpowering Donny? Doubtful. They all appear to be about in the same strength range.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Err...no.Both Raph and Donny are masters at ninjitsu and masters their specific weapon's ninjitsu. They aren't going to be disarming each other.
Donny's bo-staff appears to be as tall as him. That's plenty long enough to keep Raph out of close-range.
And overpowering Donny? Doubtful. They all appear to be about in the same strength range.
Raph weapon is ment for disarming.......
Just becuase your a master of a weapon does nto mean you can not be disarmed as seen with raph and leo......
Donny staff is not as long as he is nor has it ever been shown to be would you like me to get pictures for you........
also donny is only 5 feet tall.......
did you ever read the comics........
raph is shown quite clearly through out the comics as being the superior in strength.
the turtles abiltiies are not all equal.
Like miky for instance is the fastest and most agile of the group.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Err...no.Both Raph and Donny are masters at ninjitsu and masters their specific weapon's ninjitsu. They aren't going to be disarming each other.
Donny's bo-staff appears to be as tall as him. That's plenty long enough to keep Raph out of close-range.
And overpowering Donny? Doubtful. They all appear to be about in the same strength range.
Well they all have something their better at then another. Don has the smarts, Raph has the brawn, Leo has the fighting skills, and Mikey has the agility. Raph is the strongest and could overpower Don if he could get to Don. Don however could outsmart him and keep him away with the bo also. I don't see Raph winning against Don unless its just h2h for all of them.
Though I don't see how one couldn't disarm another.
Originally posted by capt it upOr I just did post it, and I'm not playing this game where "I don't like it, therefore I didn't see it". I posted it on this page.
so you have no evidence that raph is better?you also have no evidence that leo has beaten all 3 of his brothers at once.
you also have no evidence that he has ever beaten miky when miky was aided by one of his brothers.
also I have seen leo beat raph and don at once I have never seen leo beat miky period. I knwo he can, but not with the aid of one of his siblings.
Now go and prove your statement (please), which I know I won't see. (surprise me) 🙂. Because everything I said was right and proven, nooone else on this thread has gotten off their ass to prove anything. Jinzin is right, Mike is affected by CIS. You keep making him out to be the second best when he isn't in skill. Raph fights about as much as Leo and is second most skilled. Mikey is the most physically gifted, but he doesn't fight nearly as much as Raph and Leo in his off time, therefore he is a bit less skilled.
Originally posted by jinzinI agree. But I don't see the gap between Don and the rest TOO great, he does a fine job. Mikey does get distracted easier than the others.
raph and leo ftw. Donny's good but a decided weak link and mikey's just as easily effected by cis as raph is.
Originally posted by brainchild81No, Akuma WANTED to learn the Dark Hadou, Ryu has been the ONLY to have to fight it, he is so powerful that if he DOESN'T train like a mofo, he will be a threat to himself and to others. That's how powerful he is.
Exactly. That only happens to people who want victory at any cost like Akuma did when he was a youngin'.
Originally posted by brainchild81
Neither of those is canon, but even if they were they were'nt in tourneys. These were life & death battles. Ryu vs. Sagat was a mere tourney scrap in which Ryu was willing to kill rather than lose. Sagat had beaten him to the ground & was reaching out to help him. Even in the movie they couldn't get a potential reading for Ken 'cause he never fights to his true potential remember? Ryu wants it more than anybody, especially Ken.That is probably because Ryu is actually making the effort to live up to his potential & Ken ain't
And in the movie it said, "they are equal in skill", and Bison said "that doesn't mean anything about their potential". Ryu in canon was sought after so many because of his potential and perfect body.
Originally posted by brainchild81Ryu is definitely a natural, all of the SF cast,(for the most part) are more gifted than anyone else in the world. Why is Oro saying that he can beat him in 15 years? It's because Ryu and noone else has done things in a short amount of time.
No one's saying Ryu has no potential. He's never been described as a natural though. Ken has. Read some of his official profiles from Capcom. Ryu had big time help(Ken, Chun Li etc w/Bison IIRC & Akuma always holds back on Ryu 'cause he thinks Ryu ain't ready yet.
In Alpha 2, which is canon, Ryu and Akuma were pretty much tied until Akuma punched the island down. Not saying ryu can beat Akuma, but he'll eventually do so, and he's held his own longer.
Originally posted by brainchild81Ken trains hard too, it's not that he doesn't train, it's that he doesn't train as much. Ryu always learns his techniques first. They have been "described" as near equals or equals, but that's very semantic and debateable, and done for the fanbase. Ryu has the longest win streak, AND he's surpassed Ken in current canon. Ryu learns and adapts special techniques AND he makes his own moves and style, (moreso than Ken).
Ryu's awesome w/out a doubt, but he's where he is 'cause he trains harder than a mofo. Ken & Ryu have always been described as equals or near equals.
That's an "if" and an unsubstansiated potential argument, because it makes it seem like he's going to start shooting thunderbolts out of his ass.
Ryu has more potent power within him so he HAS to train to make sure he won't be a threat, Ken would have just been a normal Karate Kid without training. He wouldn't have a tendency to tap into the Supernatural like his Japanese coutnerpart.
Originally posted by brainchild81
If Ryu was more of a trained more AND was more of a natural than Ken, that wouln't be possible. He'd be waaaaaaaaay better than Ken & would never lose to him ever. He does because Ken's natural talent can be enough to close the gap in a scrap. That's why it's close.
No, Ryu is ALWAYS affected by PIS or CIS in his matches, he's almost never focused, he has something troubling him, it's always established. Ryu doesn't fight "to win" he fights "to learn" he holds back loads. He's even reluctant to train most of the time.
Ken doesn't have such problems in his character as often, he's not struggling as often with who his real family is, or how to overcome something that will kill him if he doesn't. Distractions make a big difference in a fight, hell going through a divorce or fight makes a difference.
I believe almost all of SF, to be extremely gifted and "naturals", but Ryu definitely has it for his age.
Originally posted by brainchild81Whoops 😮 didn't see that, make a thread in games vs.
Let's talk about this somewhere else from here on out.
Originally posted by brainchild81But all the turtles train intensively, they don't go to the degree of their brother, but Splinter keeps them trained, they have to be.
Leo's always the one meditating & training while Mikey goofs off though. I like Cyclops & Leo too & Cap. Only "team leader" I don't really like is Supes. My favorite turtle has always been Don. If you have the old action figs you'll notice that he's a bit darker than the others. There all brothers, but he's a brotha
Mikey is only a physical natural, But fighting is more than the body, it's the mind as wel.
And don was the brotha, he does wear purple after all. 😆
Leo was Japanese, and The others struck me as white, particularly Mikey.
Originally posted by KentoSplinter does most of the training.
Um No Leo never trained the rest he trains with them. Splinter taught them what they know. Leo didn't learn first then pass it down. Show me where it says Leo trained his brothers? Yes I have read the original Mirage series. I'm missing a bunch in between the first issue and the City at War arc that ends the first Volume but I have enough along with a bit of vol. 4 and nearly all the Image series which isn't canon anymore but is still good to me along with a bit of Archie series and the first two issues of Vol 2.
That would make it look worse for Leo's brothers if he did all the training, that makes the gap that much bigger.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Or I just did post it, and I'm not playing this game where "I don't like it, therefore I didn't see it". I posted it on this page.
Were? I don’t see it. I don’t like it so I did not see it game? What the hell are you talking about? I asked you to prove what you said with evidence and you did not. You keep saying you posted it, but I have yet to see it…….
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Now go and prove your statement (please), which I know I won't see. (surprise me) 🙂.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Because everything I said was right and proven,
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
. Jinzin is right, Mike is affected by CIS.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
. You keep making him out to be the second best when he isn't in skill.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
. Raph fights about as much as Leo and is second most skilled. Mikey is the most physically gifted, but he doesn't fight nearly as much as Raph and Leo in his off time, therefore he is a bit less skilled.
Originally posted by capt it upI never said raph was better the way you're thinking, (though I see you derived your post). I said he fights second to leo (in amount), so he would have better skill in that aspect. I didn't argue his potential friend.
prove what point? You never proved raph was better.you keep saying you did, but you did not
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I never said raph was better the way you're thinking, (though I see you derived your post). I said he fights second to leo (in amount), so he would have better skill in that aspect. I didn't argue his potential friend.
No raph fights mroe then leo. leo trains more though. Again Prove raph is the superior fighter it miky. Just becuase he brawls a lot means nothing. He ahs never shown more skill then miky nor has he ever defeat miky.
derived my post? what......