Leonardo and Raphael versus Michaelangelo and Donatello

Originally posted by Loot
i was just curious because i want to read that issue, by the way it was in the mirage ones? the ones written by the creators?
it seems too much beating the 3 at the same time, leo shound´t even be able to beat 2 at the same time if you ask me.
but if it happend it happend 🙂

Originally posted by capt it up
no I don't have a problem with sayign miky has lost to leo. I even stated Leo would defeat miky

however when has Leo ever defeated all 3 of his brothers at once? Can you provide evdience of this?

Hell can you provide evidence of Leo beating miky period when one of hsi brothers was aiding him?

Actaully raph is not more skilled then miky. That your opinion not fact

Leo was beating Mikey with a simple stick in the old cartoon if I remember.

You had no problem saying he beat raph and don, but then when Mikey is involved it becomes totally different. Mikey doesn't even routinely beat the turtles.

That's YOUR opinion, and we've already had this argument at my forum.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Nah. That's just not true CM. Ryu clearly wants it more and trains way harder to accomplish it. Hell, he was willing to kill Sagat in order to win. All Ryu does is train & fight. Ken nails his wife and has kids to look after. Ken doesn't train as much as Ryu and always gives him a hard time to go and can even pull off a win now & then. If Ken trained as hard as Ryu he'd very likely beat the piss out of Ryu. It's in many of his profiles. Ken's always been described as a natural Mikey would probably beat Don, but seriously, where is it said or even implied that Raph is better than Don? Only thing I've ever seen Raph do is get OWNED with very little effort by Mike. I seriously doubt he'd own Don like that.

Looks more like Leo, Mike, Don & then Raph

Ryu was the one who brought the style up to par with dark hadou for his age, NO Ansatsuken practicer has done that, that puts him beyond Akuma for his own age. Ken has never held his own against Akuma, Bison, etc, like Ken has. It would be a close match, but Ryu is still more of a natural than ken AND he practices more. People seem to think training makes you skyrocket in ability. Your body goes up an incline, and slows down. Ryu is simply mentally and spiritually better, many characters comment on this often. I find it ridiculous that anyone would say Ryu doesn't have the potential, when he has the most potential. He is the "chosen" one after all.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Any links to these bios? I'm not saying you're wrong. I just have to see it.

Oh and here's that episode I was talking about.
http://www.ninjaturtles.com/cartoon/2003/synopses/10.html

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Leo was beating Mikey with a simple stick in the old cartoon if I remember.

i believe leo can take mikey, but like i´ve said the cartoons are not cannon.

Originally posted by Loot
i believe leo can take mikey, but like i´ve said the cartoons are not cannon.

Just saying it happened. In comics Leo was quite harsher and more deadly to boot anyways.

one thing i´ve been noticing, and it makes sense, the persons who like more of leo are the ones who like less of Raph and vice versa. Like cyclops and wolverine.
by the way who´se your favorite c-master?

Really? Raph and Leo are my two favorites *I still like the others, mikey was my childhood fav, as he was to most other kids my age back in the day*

And where the heck can I find these comics? I mean where they just the TMNT?

Turtle rank:

1: leanardo
2: Mikey
3: Raphael
4: Donatello

just my opinion. but team 1 has leonardo, themost powerful turtle. and raphael is good abckup, even through mikey has schooled him

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Really? Raph and Leo are my two favorites *I still like the others, mikey was my childhood fav, as he was to most other kids my age back in the day*

And where the heck can I find these comics? I mean where they just the TMNT?

it seems that way for most of the people, that doens´t mean its everybody, and i can be wrong.
My favorites are Raph and then Don, but i still like Leo, just saying normally they´re not your two favorites.

Search for TMNT mirage comics

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Who cares if Donny trains the least? You ever think maybe he just doesn't need to? He's a master of ninjitsu and a master of the bo-staff. That right there says leagues about him. Now, being a master of the bo-staff, that already gives him the superior advantage against the sai that Raph wields.

Least skilled? In whose opinion? It's hard to be less skilled at different things. Raph has more skill with the sai, Donny has more skill with his bo-staff. They've based their ninjitsus around their weapons.

Donny would definitely take the fight against Raph.

finally someone who realizes that the fight can't be based on weapons use. Each weapon has its strengths and weaknesses but does that that make the weilder any better than the other? if Raph and Don trade weapons who wins? This has to be hand to hand combat.

Originally posted by Loot
one thing i´ve been noticing, and it makes sense, the persons who like more of leo are the ones who like less of Raph and vice versa. Like cyclops and wolverine.
by the way who´se your favorite c-master?

Now it's Leo and Raph, they have the most character depth.

My favorite Xmen is Cyke. Wolverine might be my second favorite for the same reason of character depth, but I might be wrong.

I love them all though,they are all my favorite characters (at least a 9.5 out of 10). But Leo is my fave by a few small points.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDUPofyA7wM
Don't mess with Mikes pizza 😛

that was hilarous, i remeber that eposoide 😱

Originally posted by Priest
that was hilarous, i remeber that eposoide 😱

Originally posted by Big Sexy
TMNT vs TMNT 😱http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPnB2RqHw6o

Originally posted by Priest
haha, its true, the old school show was deffinalty the best.
i wish they had re-runs on TV 🙁

I think if it was a four way fight Leo would win but I still think Mikey and Don win because of Raph wanting to do what he wants and Leo would be trying to lead. Specially if they're blood lusted. Leo would be calm while Raph wouldn't be. That would work against Raph. Sure the turles work well as a team but they all know each others moves so its all about who is the better fighters and so forth here. To me it goes Leo, Mikey, Raph, and Don but Don could outsmart Raph if Raph was mad, which isn't hard to do. But Don nor Mikey could ever beat Leo single-handedly but if you take Raph out first, which either Mikey or Don could do then it becomes Leo vs Mikey and Don. Leo would put up a good fight and could possibly win but I'd give it more to Mikey and Don winning.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Yes actually.
I, jinzin, and soljer did.

Leo was beating Mikey with a simple stick in the old cartoon if I remember.

You had no problem saying he beat raph and don, but then when Mikey is involved it becomes totally different. Mikey doesn't even routinely beat the turtles.

That's YOUR opinion, and we've already had this argument at my forum.

I've never seen this. RYu was overcome by the dark intent. Ken was willing to kill the robot in the Alpha series (before he realized it was out of his character), and he was going to kill even in the SF2 movie. He has never had the potential of Ryu which is why Akuma, Bison, and the others haven't seeked him out. That is just speculation.

Ryu was the one who brought the style up to par with dark hadou for his age, NO Ansatsuken practicer has done that, that puts him beyond Akuma for his own age. Ken has never held his own against Akuma, Bison, etc, like Ken has. It would be a close match, but Ryu is still more of a natural than ken AND he practices more. People seem to think training makes you skyrocket in ability. Your body goes up an incline, and slows down. Ryu is simply mentally and spiritually better, many characters comment on this often. I find it ridiculous that anyone would say Ryu doesn't have the potential, when he has the most potential. He is the "chosen" one after all.

Bio's from the recent cartoons that simply say MIke has the most potential. People are taking it and making it seem like he's supersayian. Leo was the one who summoned the dragon without assistance. Leo holds back probably the most in many aspects, hell he hardly uses his weapons in the movies or in anything really. He always draws them last.

so you have no evidence that raph is better?

you also have no evidence that leo has beaten all 3 of his brothers at once.

you also have no evidence that he has ever beaten miky when miky was aided by one of his brothers.

also I have seen leo beat raph and don at once I have never seen leo beat miky period. I knwo he can, but not with the aid of one of his siblings.

i don't really get this "mikey has the most potential thingy"...

why, is he gonna shoot laser beams out of his hands or create tornadoes using his nunchakus when full potential?

all of them are equal when it comes to fighting, remove their weapons and it would be harder to decipher who would win...

also, saying that leo and ralph will lose because ralph would "want to do it his way" is dumb. although, ralph is sometimes the lone wolf, when they fight together, the teamwork is always there. wolverine and cyke would always shove aside their personal animosity when faced with a common threat or enemy...

anyways, i give the fight to leo and ralph 6-7/10...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I've never seen this. RYu was overcome by the dark intent.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Ken was willing to kill the robot in the Alpha series (before he realized it was out of his character), and he was going to kill even in the SF2 movie.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He has never had the potential of Ryu which is why Akuma, Bison, and the others haven't seeked him out. That is just speculation.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Ryu was the one who brought the style up to par with dark hadou for his age, NO Ansatsuken practicer has done that, that puts him beyond Akuma for his own age. Ken has never held his own against Akuma, Bison, etc, like Ken has. It would be a close match, but Ryu is still more of a natural than ken AND he practices more. People seem to think training makes you skyrocket in ability. Your body goes up an incline, and slows down. Ryu is simply mentally and spiritually better, many characters comment on this often. I find it ridiculous that anyone would say Ryu doesn't have the potential, when he has the most potential. He is the "chosen" one after all.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Bio's from the recent cartoons that simply say MIke has the most potential. People are taking it and making it seem like he's supersayian. Leo was the one who summoned the dragon without assistance. Leo holds back probably the most in many aspects, hell he hardly uses his weapons in the movies or in anything really. He always draws them last.

ugg there not all the same skill level.........

Leo is consider the master for a reason..........

miky potential has to do with fightign skills, He a born naturial. He can learn moves at an extremely fast pase with little to no effort.