Originally posted by masterbruce
nuchakus are hard to master and are useless in the hands of amateurs. But a true master of nunchakus could def beat a master of sais or bo, I'm not sure about katanas.
That's completely rediculous. A master of the Nunchakus would be terrible against a bo-master... actually he would have almost no chance against the superior reach. As far as said go yes he would have a better chance but overall it is a poor weapons and sais are the best defensive weapon.
Originally posted by masterbruce
nuchakus are hard to master and are useless in the hands of amateurs. But a true master of nunchakus could def beat a master of sais or bo, I'm not sure about katanas.
Actually, I believe the bo-staff to be a superior weapon to the nunchaku. They're very easily deflectable by a staff for one.
Originally posted by Jade Lightning
That's completely rediculous. A master of the Nunchakus would be terrible against a bo-master... actually he would have almost no chance against the superior reach. As far as said go yes he would have a better chance but overall it is a poor weapons and sais are the best defensive weapon.
Agreed.
Originally posted by Jade Lightning
Raphael is the one who was going to kill Shredder, it was him and Leo vs Shredder and he LET Leo win. Besides, that doesn't really matter now because in chronological order, the new TMNT movie is the most credible source we have because it is written by the two original comic writers and takes place after all of the other shows and movies.
No its not, the movie was written by Kevin Munroe. its true that the idea was to bring bakc the turtles from the comics, but it wasn´t written by they´re creators.
By the was donnatelo was Kevin Eastman favorite turtle and raphael was Peter Laird favorite.
Originally posted by Jade Lightning
I'm going to give you my final thoughts on this side-subject. I think that in overall skill Leo and Raph are about equal, having an equal chance at beating one another. I completely disagree with you saying the Raphael's disarming Leo in the movie is not a win, because that's just about as good a win as I could iagine without Raph killing his brother. I think those two are the best turtles and I think where Leo is probably more skilled in weapon fighter, Raph has a more natural affinity for combat, getting more actual fighting experience than Leo.
Well, it was more of an " Damn! I can't believe I broke your weapons"
rather than a, " well! I knocked the weapons out of your hands"
but I get your drift
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Originally posted by Jade LightningThey all ganged up on him so that has nothing to do with Raph fighting him by himself, because he can't. Leo has already beaten all of the turtles against him on at least two occasions. One was in the show, one was in the old show.
Raphael is the one who was going to kill Shredder, it was him and Leo vs Shredder and he LET Leo win. Besides, that doesn't really matter now because in chronological order, the new TMNT movie is the most credible source we have because it is written by the two original comic writers and takes place after all of the other shows and movies.
Originally posted by LootOn the turtles site, he even refers to him as little brother.
i agree that ryu is superior to ken, but potential is real some people have more potential then other for different things, i just don´t think that apply to mikey, i also that was something that was hinted only in the cartoon, and is now on wikipedia.
and where did you read leo is 1 year older then his brothers? weren´t they´re eggs put at the same time, i couls belive leo´s egg crack first but he´s not one year older.
Originally posted by Jade LightningYou do realize that he was beating raph all the way until then, raph may have landed a few hits. Hell, leo dodged him effortlessly until then, Leo changed when he saw he was fighting his brother, he would never go as far against his brothers, than against a villain when his famility is in danger.
I'm going to give you my final thoughts on this side-subject. I think that in overall skill Leo and Raph are about equal, having an equal chance at beating one another. I completely disagree with you saying the Raphael's disarming Leo in the movie is not a win, because that's just about as good a win as I could iagine without Raph killing his brother. I think those two are the best turtles and I think where Leo is probably more skilled in weapon fighter, Raph has a more natural affinity for combat, getting more actual fighting experience than Leo.
Sais are meant to catch swords, they're "sword blockers", he has more leverage in that position, it's like me driving and my tires blow out.
Raph CAN beat Leo, but I wouldn't give him the majority, and that won't happen every time. (weapons breaking)
Leo and Raph would win every single time. Donny isn't as skilled, and while Mikey can beat Raph he couldn't beat Leo.
Wait Raph and Leo working together....Don and Mikey might be able to win on that alone. Raph and Leo would actually have to work together while Mikey and Don have a better chance at it.
So yea I change my answer to Don and Mikey. A bloodlusted Raph won't listen to Leo or anything anyways.
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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
They all ganged up on him so that has nothing to do with Raph fighting him by himself, because he can't. Leo has already beaten all of the turtles against him on at least two occasions. One was in the show, one was in the old show.On the turtles site, he even refers to him as little brother.
Potential is tricky, it's not like you train and you skyrocket, you hit a slower peak really fast, and what you learn becomes less and less than if you're doing something new. So it slows.
You do realize that he was beating raph all the way until then, raph may have landed a few hits. Hell, leo dodged him effortlessly until then, Leo changed when he saw he was fighting his brother, he would never go as far against his brothers, than against a villain when his famility is in danger.Sais are meant to catch swords, they're "sword blockers", he has more leverage in that position, it's like me driving and my tires blow out.
Raph CAN beat Leo, but I wouldn't give him the majority, and that won't happen every time. (weapons breaking)
older doesn´t mean it has to be one year older, he probably borned some minutes earlier.
team 2 ftw.
donnie is imo, the best. he's got brains and a bow staff; argubly the best melee weapon you can have.
leo has shown to be the most diciplined and skilled.
mikey and raph are the goof offs and hot heads. not saying they're weak, just not the leaders in the team nor the winners in this fight.
bloodlust maybe on, but they'll (donnnie and leo) still hold true to their nature, and win the fight.
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Originally posted by masterbruceDitto. Ken's what they call a "natural". A Ken that trains as hard as Ryu is very likely a Ken that beats the shite out of Ryu. Ken's actually beaten him a few times. Ryu has a slightly better record.
Ryu trains every second of every day.Ken chases girls every second of every day.
Yet Ken still holds his own against Ryu.
If Ken trained even a fraction as much as Ryu, he would beat Ryu.
And potential is not pointless. Ken has the potential to beat Ryu, whereas E Honda can train as much as he wants and he'll never come close.
Originally posted by MetalmanxDitto. Although I'm not sure it would take long. Raph is too easy to manipulate because of his anger & would get his ass handed to him by the calculating & quick thinking Don. I wanna see this new movie because I grew up w/the TMNT, but it looked too kiddie for me in the ads. I also don't like the idea of Mike & Don not being important in it. That sux. Leo's normally the best fighter, but that's only because Mike likes to f**k around. A bloodlusted Mike sounds scary. I also think Raph is the worst fighter because he has no self control. Team Duece for the win.
I still say Donny would beat Raph. The least training Turtle or not, he's still a master at what he does. And in addition with the bo-staff as a weapon (greatly superior to the sai), a vastly smarter/quicker thinker, and a level-headed persona, he would take Raph down after a long fight.
P.S. Same As It Never Was was the best episode ever. Don's the most important turtle. Just wanted to put that useless data out there 😆
Originally posted by geshien
team 2 ftw.donnie is imo, the best. he's got brains and a bow staff; argubly the best melee weapon you can have.
leo has shown to be the most diciplined and skilled.
mikey and raph are the goof offs and hot heads. not saying they're weak, just not the leaders in the team nor the winners in this fight.
bloodlust maybe on, but they'll (donnnie and leo) still hold true to their nature, and win the fight.
opps... i read it wrong.
ok, leo and raph vs donnie and mikey?
hmmm...
team 2. donnie and mikey work well together while leo and raph don't.
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Originally posted by LootTry the official site. Look at their bios, they aren't all the same age. They only mutated at the same time.
where does it say that?
Ryu is more of a natural then Ken. Physically and non-physically.
Leo is the better fighter, even a serious Mike hasn't accomplished what Leo has, he might in years, but that's a "might".
Don is the least skilled of the group.
he also has the least potential.
Raph is the superior fighter to don and would most diffently win the fight as would miky.
Leo is the most skilled of the group then would go miky and raph with Don trailing the group though thill mensly skilled fighter
Leo has never once defeated all his brothers at once.
His brothers would clearly over whealm him if they were all to attack him.