Its everywhere!!!!!!

I've lived in Toronto for the past 12 years of my life, I walk home past 2 am all the time and feel perfectly safe. You have to realize that even with the increase in gun violence lately Toronto still has a fairly low crime rate in comparison to other cities it's size and population. There's sketchy areas sure, but those who live here know to avoid them. shrug

The article paints it as some sort of seedy area where you get shot hanging out on your front porch, completely opposite to the Toronto I know.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
So the ignorance you speak of is a conscious educated opinion.

You do realize this means you have to have invested some time into listening to various artists on a certain genre to have a "conscious educated opinion" right?

I think someone who does not listen to a certain genre of music regularly should not even comment on the validity of that genre since they do not identify with it at all, and call only make sweeping generalizations.

Need a few songs?

Alfheim, or whatever it is, you cannot surely think that this problem is exclusive to south London. Are you really that naive? Do you realise that Glasgow has a much higher murder rate than London? Yet I very very much doubt this is due to a gun toting black community, like you make s.London out to be. You need to accept that violence has always been and always will be, there will always be a scape goat and it will range from religion to music nowadays. Get a grip and blame something with a bit more validity.

Hip-Hop does promote gun crime but it's the person who commits the crime who is to blame, not the music. Another problem is that these so-called 'gangstas' are seen in music videos livin' it up with fast cars and hot women so some kid is going to think "If I get into gun crime, I could have all this". It happens very subtly and over a long time but it does have an effect. Nevertheless it's the individual's fault, not the music's.

Messed up here LOL. Didn't mean to pratice that

Originally posted by chithappens

Not them 2!!!!! 😆

I don't disses rock or whatever you listens to, so don't diss Hip-Hop culture.

Dude, I'm hip hip. Actually, I'm willing to say without even speaking to you, I know more hip hop than you by far.

I'm being facetious about the pic. Check my previous posts.

Sigh sensitivity. Would seem like I was just being silly anyway...

I reffered to the starter of this thread😉

2guns Damn you and your lack of context.

This is where gun violence comes from in civilized folk.

As your name nearly says... Shit happens😛

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Alfheim, or whatever it is,

what the **** is that supposed to mean? 🤨

Originally posted by chillmeistergen

you cannot surely think that this problem is exclusive to south London. Are you really that naive? Do you realise that Glasgow has a much higher murder rate than London?

Er yeah Glasgow has the highest muder rate in Europe and is worse than New York.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen

Yet I very very much doubt this is due to a gun toting black community, like you make s.London out to be.

Ok listen carefully to me....I know from personal experience in South London guns are increasing among the black youth and also the figures say that as well.

That does not negate the fact that Glasgow has a highier muder rate. I dont live Glasgow I dont give a ****. Furthermore according to some articles I was reading on Toronto gun crime had a Jamaican connection. Hell dont argue with me read the paper and argue with them.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen

You need to accept that violence has always been and always will be, there will always be a scape goat and it will range from religion to music nowadays. Get a grip and blame something with a bit more validity.

I dont really know what to say to that statement really, now your just talking down to me.

Originally posted by silver_tears
I've lived in Toronto for the past 12 years of my life, I walk home past 2 am all the time and feel perfectly safe. You have to realize that even with the increase in gun violence lately Toronto still has a fairly low crime rate in comparison to other cities it's size and population. There's sketchy areas sure, but those who live here know to avoid them. shrug

The article paints it as some sort of seedy area where you get shot hanging out on your front porch, completely opposite to the Toronto I know.

Yeah I know gun crime is still low in Toronto.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Then they were never facts.

Actually I remember how this started we were talking about stats and figures. I said I wasnt concerned about figures and then you said that you cant ignore facts. Therefore implying that stats are facts.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Precisely. As far as you know. It's experience, and you lack this.

Well no ive been to to other scenes in london. Alternative scene has no violence at all. Oh yeah and you had better ask vintagesw77 about gun crime in Manchester he would say the samething as well.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Not the original stuff he did, the original stuff he did was garage. When he tried to make hip hop, obviously it sounded more like mainstream hip hop. Everything he's done has been one thing, though; Shit.

I heard two songs both of them sounded like rapping and he is classified as being Garage, the same with the So Solid Crew. I dont know about bizzles earlier stuff...yeah he is ****.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

I worded that a bit unclear, sorry. What I meant was that lyrics can't create an attitude. The attitude is already there, if it's mirrored in the music then it's nothing more than an excuse.

You were, which is why we're debating.

Yes, but you have to remember why it's a factor.

Ok lets put it this way what do you think would happen if all the gun toting rappers told people to be more positive to go to school and forget about the gun lifestyle? Do you think this would affcet the gun crime in the scene.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Read it again. There are cultures that are born of music and music genres that are born out of a culture.

For example, the straight edge lifestyle was created by Ian Mackaye of Minor Threat in the song Straight Edge. The song wasn't part of the culture in general, it created a culture because of it's ideas. People who didn't even like the song happened to agree with what it was about. Therefore, straight edge culture wasn't necessarily full of people who liked straight edge musicians/music.

In the case of garage, it's opposite. Out of a culture, people started making that kind of music, modern garage anyway. So it comes back to it being an attitude first.

I dunno man i cant be bothered with this point anymore.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Of course it can, but it is a choice. Nobody's fate is sealed by being raised in a bad way. That's precisely why the connotations are just that, because it all depends on the person's reaction. Negative lyrics get blamed for someone CHOOSING to interpret them literally or in a bad way. They shouldn't, the person should. Musicians are ultimately only responsible for themselves.

See my previous reply about that.

What do you mean? I never denied music was influential.
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Well at any rate....

Ok lets put it this way what do you think would happen if all the gun toting rappers told people to be more positive to go to school and forget about the gun lifestyle? Do you think this would affcet the gun crime in the scene.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

I'm not saying that at all, I'm saying at 12 or older, maybe even younger, you have clear notions of what you should do and what you shouldn't do. Seeing as we're talking about gun crime, though, we must be talking early teens, in which case they DEFINITELY know that what they're doing isn't good, but they do it because they're bad kids.

-AC

You're underestimating peer pressure and envinromnet and over simplyfying things.