1. somethings to be said for being out of practise.
He may have been out of practice but he is still a "powerful warrior" and pwnd two pirates in about half a second, plus he was about even with ANH Vader, so he can't have been to out of practice, otehrwise Vader would have owned him.
2. granted, but turning into a force ghost has no bearing on a fight.
True.
3. Vader was trying to wear him down to humiliate him to prove he was superior. the second part, you should know A>B>C arguments don't mean shit.
The first part begs for proof. As for the second part, abc doesn't always work but often it does and if Old Ben is even close to Vader then he should definitely be able to beat young Kenobi.
4. Well, if Vader is weaker than his fully organic self, and is doing better against him in ANH than he did in ROTS, then yes, he may have gotten weaker. At that time, who else was around to stand up to the Sith? We didn't know about Yoda yet, so thats why Ben was the most powerful lightside warrior.
What does Yoda have to do with this? And my point was not that kenobi didn't decrease in power between episodes 3 and 4, the point was that he is still powerful in ANH.
5. wow, he took out two non force sensitives in a crowded bar to where they couldn't move, and while one was still busy throwing Luke around. If Vader cutting through a shit load of wookies isnt impressive, then this certainly isn't
Vader cutting through the Wookiees
is impressive. MY point with the Ponda Boba/Doctor Evasan thing was that, despite his old age, Kenobi is still extremely fast.
6. Jabba the Hut was a highly wanted criminal/crime boss...Leia took him out with the quickness, does that mean she can beat AOTC OB1?
Jabba was unarmed, and Leia didn't take him out that quickly, she got the chain over his head quickly but the actual chocking took a while, and it's a lot harder to swing a saber fast enough to kill two thugs than it is to simply flip a chain over someone's neck.
7. you know how everyone thats against Vader says he's a slow piece of shit due to his action in the OT? Well then that same shit applies for Ben. The first time he tries to do a spin that take 5 or 6 seconds, young OB1 would cut his arthritic ass down.
Except that was only due to bad choreography, since we know from the Ponda Baba/Doctor Evazan that he is still extremely fast, much faster than his AOTC self and probably almost as fast as his ROTS self.
he's more agile and more proficient as a saber duelist, he's more in practice and won't try to get into a force contest -- just go straight to sabers.
Nope, ANH Kenobi is much quicker, more experienced, and, as Ben proved with the thugs and Vader, it doesn't matter than he isn't in practice because he's still strong as hell.
That ANH Kenobi defeated Ponda Baba and Doctor Evasan isn't that impressive, they didn't expect him to be a Jedi, they thought he was an old weak man and everything happened so fast, one pushed Luke away and then Obi cut them both out of nowhere, suddenly, it wasn't a straight up fight.
It proves that ANH kenobi is still extremely quick, though, plus those pirates may have not been suspecting Kenobi to eb anything but an old man but still, they already had their weapons out even and before they would even
react Ponda Baba's arm was laying on the floor. That's quick.