****, I typed up responses to most of your stuff and then accidentally hit the x by the tab box **** I'm pissed oh well here goes again:
How does it not matter? He's no Sidious in the least. And you'll have to forgive me for laughing that you think he Alec Guiness moved faster than Ewan did...thats ridiculous. Gideon said that Jolly Jim was the one who said that Vader was toying with Ben to "wear him down" before killing him, so no, i don't think he was as strong as Vader. And can be as powerful as he wants, it doesn't alter the fact that he was/is slower than AOTC OB1. And it said that OB1 started to perfect form 3 after he saw the holes and flaws in QGJ's form and how easily he was killed. So, if he started perfecting it at the end of TPM, he's had 10 years to learn how to utilize it. I doubt there was a significant increase in his saber technique in the three years between AOTC and ROTS, granted there would be some, but nothing monumental, meaning that OB1 is already extremely proficient with his form. And being in practice makes a huge difference in fighting.
And do you have proof that ANH Ben is even 60% of Sidious in any incarnation? Or are you just making an assumption? Explain how you wouldn't decrease n skill if you hadn't practiced in 20 years. Even still, Ben isn't Vader and he isn't Sidious. I'm quite sure that being the supreme chancellor and being able to come and go as you please gives you time to practice here and there. And I know being the leaders of the Empire, you can do and afford any and everything needed to stay on point with your saber skills.
With what? A remote droid? That in no way compares to what would be at an active Jedi temple member's disposal.
Two old grimy pirates are in no way comparable to an AOTC OB1 in speed, power, or fighting prowess. I already mentioned the keeping up with Vader. Vader toyed with everyone in the OT. No reason to assume that he didn't toy with Ben as well.
I thought Gideon provided it, but he said JJ did, so it'd be up to him provide it again, although I'm sure his bias in this debate would hinder him from doing so. And no, just because he lost to Vader doesn't mean he can beat his younger self. What kind of sense does that make? If he could have beaten Vader, he would have. He wouldn't have given up. No one searches for a fight just to commit suicide.
Cause when I hear people mention that Ben is still a powerful warrior, it's usually followed up with "the strongest good guy around" which wouldn't include Yoda. So i was just just saying he was only considered to be that strong because we didn't have Yoda yet to compare him to.
Moving your forearms a distance of less than a meter is completely different that engaging in a full out battle with a powerful Jedi.
Ben, by his own admission, was too old to even go out and help Leia by himself. His younger counterpart was going out on all kinds of missions by himself and was successful. That has to tell you something.
Are you fcuking kidding me?! Its harder to swing a weightless beam of concentrated energy that cuts through anything, than it is to swing a heavy chain that is attached to you over a huge slug's corpulent neck while having to hop over his craftmatic bed? PLEASE! And post a still of them having their weapons drawn. You forget that it was two of them in a bar when Jabba was surrounded by his faithfuls and confidants in HIS area...advantage Ben there. More props go to Leia there.
And look here: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=swtcg/cardlist/anewhope&tablefilter=Obi-Wan%20kenobi%20(E)
Ludicrous to assume. If i remember correctly, and i could be wrong, you were arguing for Dooku in the Dooku vs Vader thread, right? And everyone's point there was "you have to go by the highest form of canon which is the movie, in which he moved like a slow piece of shit." And that same logic and reasoning applies to Ben. I said you could even provide any EU feats to your argument which you haven't done. So choreography aside, Ben is slow and thats all there is to it. To argue against that is too argue against canon.
Prove he is quicker than he was in AOTC. No he wouldn't be more experienced (in sabers at least) if he was out of practice. That's what experience is. Thugs =/= AOTC OB1. Strong doesn't mean shit here -- AOTC OB1 was strong too.
I would say AOTC OB1 spinning around and cutting off a dangerous bounty hunter's hand (even more quickly than old Ben's feat) is more impressive than being face to face with a guy and cutting his arm off. Also he pulled it out slow enough for the bartender to notice what was going on and scream, "no blasters, no blasters!" and duck. In AOTC no one had time to say shit, he spun and her arm was gone. Which is more impressive? That's right, AOTC...
My mom was 32. When she had my brother she was 29. My mom's mom had her oldest child at 23 and her youngest at 33, my dad's mom had him at 22 and he was her first, her last was at 34. So yeah, my post has no point except one:
"Old" Ben loses
20 is young yes, but i had also made the decision to join the Army to support him. Unlike a lot of deadbeat dads, I stuck around despite not being married (at the time) and did everything i had to do to make sure he was taken care of, i.e. work two jobs, pick up odd jobs while my now wife couldn't work. Its better than all these teenage kids that still live at home and expect their parents to raise their kids so they don't lose the last part of their childhood. But he was planned cause i wanted to ensure that I could always be young enough to play with him and do allot of things that dads who had kids when they were 20 can't do. That and I'll always be young enough to be "hip" to him. 😛
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Medina
No, it's five years old.