Originally posted by LordGrievous
That's more of a defelection. besides how would any of you feel if someone crushed your chest? That's pretty malevolent to me specialy since mace attacked first.
Who cares really. Palpatine was getting kidnapped, giving a wide chance for the Republic to lose the war to the CIS. Mace was forced to use it.
Originally posted by Alliance
If someone doesn't fire first, does that mean they didn't shoot?Yoda completely absorbed Dooku's lightning...held it...and then shot it back. That to me a a pure attack.
Yoda was not able to generate lightning from his own entity through. Reflection is different than production.
Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Dude, clearly you've gone some next idea of what 'apples and oranges' actually are,
A distasteful breech of syntax.
but you're wrong in this case.
I strongly doubt that.
Both force push and force pull move objects with TK, and both force crush and force grip compress objects with TK.
Apples and Oranges are both fruits. 😐
You're clearly not understanding. To CRUSH something and to GRIP something are different things. If I were to handle a glass cup utilizing my grip, I would have a firm hand around the cup and it would be intact.
Now, If I were to CRUSH a glass cup? It would break and shatter and I would no longer have a grip.
Not to mention the basic emphasis for force crush is to drag the said entity into the air and basically shatter their bone structure.
Both cases contain two comparable actions, so you're wrong, they're not 'apples and oranges' so stop repeating the same sh1t.
You think you can just say something is wrong without proof and run off?
Not quite.
Originally posted by Janus X
Who cares really. Palpatine was getting kidnapped, giving a wide chance for the Republic to lose the war to the CIS. Mace was forced to use it.
Didn't do too much anyways, except for later on when facing OB1, and that is even debatable. Mace should not have used it, Grievous was not threatenning any lives personally.
Originally posted by Alliance
Not true. What you meant is Yoda DIDN't generate lighning from his own entity. Reflection is a continuous action.Yoda did not exhibit reflection.
My post as follows:
"Yoda was not able to generate lightning from his own entity"
Yes, Yoda did.
Sidious sent a torrent of lightning at Yoda. Yoda temporarily absorbed it in a ball of energy and threw it back into Sidious.
It takes an amount of pressure and hatred to actually generate lightning. Yoda did not generate it.
Originally posted by General G
He may as well have though, he sent it right back at him, wouldn't it take a similar amount of emotions as was when it was sent to send it right back at the person?
Not really.
It's like saying shooting a gun, then someone catching the bullet and throwing it back is the same.
Originally posted by Sorgo X
Not really.It's like saying shooting a gun, then someone catching the bullet and throwing it back is the same.
That is two very different situations, the gun would shoot quite a bit faster than you would be able to throw it, and even still, the inention for you to throw a bullet back at somebody is with the intent of harm. When Yoda sent the lighting back, it was with the intent to harm or even kill Dooku/Sidious was it not? All because of their religion.
Originally posted by General G
That is two very different situations, the gun would shoot quite a bit faster than you would be able to throw it, and even still, the inention for you to throw a bullet back at somebody is with the intent of harm. When Yoda sent the lighting back, it was with the intent to harm or even kill Dooku/Sidious was it not? All because of their religion.
Originally posted by LordGrievousyou're an idiot, thats just in the games, in the actually movies and books force push and force crush would be the same thing just applied differently
How badly did mace crushing grievous's chest damage grievous's combat ablities? And isn't Force Crush a darkside power any way? I know that vaapad opens the user up to the dark side but i didn't think mace would go as far as using force crush. (the end of star wars the clone wars the cartoon).
Well let's actually take a look at Yoda's situations:
Dooku fight-- He collected Dooku's lightning and sent it back at him. Intending to hurt him no doubt. Now how is that different than if he threw his lightsaber at him?
Sidious fight-- The Dark Lord who will either kill or be killed. "The buck stops here." Collected Sidious' lightning and threw it back at him. OMG, it might have hurt him!
That was his intention wasn't it?
Unless Yoda produced that lightning with his own raw passions, then there's nothin sinister or malevolent about his actions.