Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Team two takes this. Regardless of what anyone says, Obi-wan beat Anakin once and there is no reason to believe that he can't do it again. With Anakin it's the simple trade off that if he is using the DS he can't think strait and when he's not Obi-wan is superior through sheer skill. Obi-wan takes Anakin.Then you have Yoda. He can take anyone here in a lightsaber fight and will probably go after Mace, who is the next most dangerous opponent here. Yoda takes him after a long, hard fight.
Finally, Sidious holds off Dooku for long enough to get help. I don't think Sidious could take Dooku in a one on one fight without use of Force Powers, which this fight states he can't use. However, he will have backup with plenty of time to spare from Obi-wan and Yoda. Dooku goes down. Team two takes the cup.
Toss up.
Obi-Wan beat Darth Vader (Pissed off, blinded by extreme rage)
Not Anakin. (Focused determined)
Obi-Wan does get raped by Anakin and loses first.
Since Anakin is technically superior to Obi-Wan in sheer skill, not the other way around.
Yoda might go after Mace, but If Dooku gets in the way, It could just be the two of them together.
I agree though, the weak link here in Mace VS Yoda.
If Mace fights Sidious instead and Yoda fights Dooku, team 1 wins.
Otherwise team 2 wins.
Originally posted by Count Makashi
No, Kenobi is the first to fall, or Sidious if he fights Mace.
No. Assuming that Yoda goes "full out" on Count Dooku, then Dooku goes down pretty quick. Sidious would last longer against Mace. Though, if we're to assume that this is "emotionally conflicted" Yoda, then Dooku still goes down, it's just longer.
Originally posted by Count Makashi
No he doesn't, Dooku would stood his own for dome time, Yoda would win, but after a long time.
No, dude. If Yoda went "full out" on Count Dooku (like he did with Sidious), Dooku wouldn't last very long at all. We can debate this, if you like. To tell ya the truth, I'm kind've hoping for it.
Originally posted by Count Makashi
But Sidious lost, Dooku ran away and gave Yoda a very good fight.
I'm lovin' the logic, here.
Are you implying that Sidious didn't give Mace a good fight? I'd certainly say that he did, given that he butchered Mace's team of Jedi while Mace was present before Mace could adequetly defend them. Or the fact that he controlled the first portion of the duel and drove him back into the main office.
Count Dooku fled because he was losing. I could give you several quotes on the issue, including the "unable to defeat Yoda in combat, Dooku fled" from the Ultimate Visual Guide. Then, of course, we have to address the fight that Yoda obviously wasn't looking to kill Dooku, as I've proven dozens and dozens of times.
Originally posted by GideonYa, somewhere mention that Dooku realized that he is no match for Yoda in saber.
I'm lovin' the logic, here.Are you implying that Sidious didn't give Mace a good fight? I'd certainly say that he did, given that he butchered Mace's team of Jedi while Mace was present before Mace could adequetly defend them. Or the fact that he controlled the first portion of the duel and drove him back into the main office.
Count Dooku fled because he was losing. I could give you several quotes on the issue, including the "unable to defeat Yoda in combat, Dooku fled" from the Ultimate Visual Guide. Then, of course, we have to address the fight that Yoda obviously wasn't looking to kill Dooku, as I've proven dozens and dozens of times.
Originally posted by Count Makashi
Yea, he would have lost after a long fight, and he completed his objective, while Yoda, like with Sidious didn't.
That doesn't determine the victor of the battle. From a tactical perspective, in RotS, Sidious won - while the duel itself was a stalemate. Dooku retreated, which is the same as "losing" the duel. In terms of objectives? Yes, he won, to a degree. But the CIS still got owned on Geonosis, and he fled with his tail between his legs.
Originally posted by Count Makashi
Yoda went all out in AOTC, even if not to kill him, he went all out to capture him and couldn't do it, if he was that much better, he would defeat him easily.
No.
Someone who is "going all out" would take every single opportunity available to bring their opponent down. The Jedi philosophy is one that requires making "sacrifice", it's their whole cry. If Yoda was actually looking to kill Dooku, he would have let that pillar crush Obi-Wan and Anakin, and he would have continued the duel.