So, what do you believe?

Originally posted by Robtard
Person A) An atheist, but is a saint, helps the needy, gives to the poor, donates a kidney to save a child he/she doesn't know and by all accounta lives a "good" life by Christian standards. But goes to hell.

Without believing in God, this person is only doing these things to be seen by men and to be an ego-maniac. His deeds are worthless spiritually.

Originally posted by Robtard
Person B) A Christian, not a bad person; generally looks out for their own best interest, but isn't above helping others. Gets a free pass to heaven.

In the bible, no one warns of the fire of hell more often than Jesus himself. Even the Christian has to walk the talk in order to win heaven. Only babies and small children get a 'free pass" to heaven when they die without having to work for it.

religion is for morons like jews

Originally posted by MRasheed
Not at all, especially considering that 1.) God knows all and we don't 2.) He makes the rules.

Bold claims. (That god exists, that he even knows about us, that he is a he, that 'he' makes any rules at all etc)

And unfortunately... No evidence to back them either.

Sadako of Girth you're about as smart as timmy from south park

Originally posted by Robtard
So a head in the sand and ass in the air approach.

Since God is the one who is omniscient, why wouldn't the believer give Him the benefit of the doubt that He knows what He's doing? What would be the point of arguing with Him just because you can't see the big picture?

When children and willful teens argue with adults over matters that they won't understand fully until they gain the experience, they would be better off simply doing what they are told. They are inequipped to understand. This concept is even more apt in this case.

MRasheed god knows what hes doing thats why he made the devil?

Originally posted by MRasheed
Without believing in God, this person is only doing these things to be seen by men and to be an ego-maniac. His deeds are worthless spiritually.

In the bible, no one warns of the fire of hell more often than Jesus himself. Even the Christian has to walk the talk in order to win heaven. Only babies and small children get a 'free pass" to heaven when they die without having to work for it.

1. Nope. That might be your how YOU would deal with it without your book..others are normal and call it genetics, call it upbringing, but the need to good is present in freethinkers.
It feels good to the good, to be good...

Its the cats that need a book to tell them not to rape and steal/kill that the world should worry about... The concept is grossly insulting to the good of mankind.

2. Now that Limbo is not decided to exist anymore, right?

Sadako of Girth you know gays go to hell right

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Bold claims. (That god exists,

Why wouldn't God exist?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
that he even knows about us,

God is both omniscient as well as our Creator. Why wouldn't He know about us?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
that he is a he,

God is not a "he." God is ONE and is above the concept of the duality... male/female... which He created for us. I use "he" only because of the limitation of the language. "It" would be disrespectful.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
that 'he' makes any rules at all etc)

God is the Most Just of all those who practice justice. We have to know what the rules of the Game are in order to choose between right and wrong and make it fair.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And unfortunately... No evidence to back them either.

Belief/Faith in the unseen... God, the afterlife, the angels, spirit, etc., is part of the rules of the Game. The insistence on earthly, materialistic proof is an attempt to play the rules of some other game and is inappropriate. Believe or Disbelieve is how you play. And insistence on physical proof for God and the things of the spirit is an expression of Disbelief and is how you lose.

Originally posted by killakilwolski@
Sadako of Girth you know gays go to hell right

You might wanna pack some extra icecubes in yer lunchbox then.

Enjoy the lake of fire. 😉

Originally posted by killakilwolski@
MRasheed god knows what hes doing thats why he made the devil?

God made the being who would later become known as "the devil," a transformation 100% dependent on what this being himself chose for his existence. He transformed himself into "the devil" because of what he chose to do. God did not "make the devil" in the sense of what you are implying.

When God first made him, the creature was not dedicated to evil.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
1. Nope. That might be your how YOU would deal with it without your book..others are normal and call it genetics, call it upbringing, but the need to good is present in freethinkers.
It feels good to the good, to be good...

Its the cats that need a book to tell them not to rape and steal/kill that the world should worry about... The concept is grossly insulting to the good of mankind.

The Word of God is referred to as 'The Good News' when it reaches people who naturally, or through parental instruction, love doing good for their fellow men AND have a belief in God. For all those who do not believe the Book is not a good news, but a warning.

It is a great insult to mankind for him to deny his Creator.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
2. Now that Limbo is not decided to exist anymore, right?

The concept of 'limbo' is not within my system of beliefs.

Not its not. Theres no proof of the claim the he made anything.

Glad to hear it. Evil stuff.

Originally posted by MRasheed
Without believing in God, this person is only doing these things to be seen by men and to be an ego-maniac. His deeds are worthless spiritually.

In the bible, no one warns of the fire of hell more often than Jesus himself. Even the Christian has to walk the talk in order to win heaven. Only babies and small children get a 'free pass" to heaven when they die without having to work for it.

So I assume you have some uncanny ability to see into the hearts, minds and souls of people? Otherwise your claim is completely baseless, sure someone could donate one of their kidneys for "ego-manic" purposes, but it doesn't have to be so.

Yet according to Christian script, even the worst of sinners can get into heaven be simply accepting Jesus as 'the one and only savior'.

Originally posted by MRasheed
Since God is the one who is omniscient, why wouldn't the believer give Him the benefit of the doubt that He knows what He's doing? What would be the point of arguing with Him just because you can't see the big picture?

When children and willful teens argue with adults over matters that they won't understand fully until they gain the experience, they would be better off simply doing what they are told. They are inequipped to understand. This concept is even more apt in this case.

I'm sorry, has God spoken to you directly and laid out his plan?

That's part of growing up. Knowledge also comes from past failures.

Originally posted by Robtard
So I assume you have some uncanny ability to see into the hearts, minds and souls of people? Otherwise your claim is completely baseless, sure someone could donate one of their kidneys for "ego-manic" purposes, but it doesn't have to be so.

Existence without God is worthless. Just as worthless as egomania. lol

Originally posted by Robtard
Yet according to Christian script, even the worst of sinners can get into heaven be simply accepting Jesus as 'the one and only savior'.

So you are admitting that even within christianity the sinner will not get into heaven until he lives his life like one who accepts belief in God with all that that implies?

Originally posted by Robtard
I'm sorry, has God spoken to you directly and laid out his plan?

That's what the Word of God is for. There is no need for a special revelation to know how I'm to act in life in order to please Him.

Originally posted by MRasheed
Existence without God is worthless. Just as worthless as egomania. lol

So you are admitting that even within christianity the sinner will not get into heaven until he lives his life like one who accepts belief in God with all that that implies?

Proof? Proof that is carriers to all people? (the existance being worthless part)

When did I deny that this concept wasn't religious dogma? I didn't. I questioned the sanity and logic behind believing such. "Good" atheist goes to hell. Anal-rapist finds God; goes to heaven.

Originally posted by MRasheed
That's what the Word of God is for. There is no need for a special revelation to know how I'm to act in life in order to please Him.

Back to my 'head in the sand and ass in the air' statement. Which is fine, you have faith, kudos.

I'm always awed at how the more religious a person is, the less likely they're willing to question the tenets of their chosen religion. Not necessarily pointing this at you, just in the general sense from my experiences.

Originally posted by Robtard
Proof? Proof that is carriers to all people? (the worthless part)

It's a matter of faith. You want to use modern, materialistic scientific methods to prove a concept that is not related to the material? Is that logical?

Originally posted by Robtard
When did I deny that this concept wasn't religious dogma? I didn't. I questioned the sanity and logic behind believing such.

It seems like you are questioning a concept you didn't have a good grasp on to begn with. If you sin, God gives you a way to cleanse yourself and get in His good graces. What's so hard to understand about that?