Originally posted by Juntai
Well, he already proved he's better than one Pre Crisis Superman in the Golden Age version, given their performances against SBP, while standing in Kryptonite that affected only our Kal.
True but if one goes an looks at the feats of Superman before COIE it becomes apparent that SBP wasn't doing anything near what he was capable of.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosI dunno, all the Supermen were messing with time, going ftl speed[though it didn't write it in context for us. But the idea that when Lois died on Earth 2 the E2Supes screamed, Superman heard it on current Earth and flew all the way across the cosmos to where Earth 2 was by the time it stopped.], he blitzed all the lanterns at once after cutting through miles of energy. Maybe it was me, but I thought he was decently impressive, and again, decently represented. Especially when you consider how many characters the comics had to cover.
True but if one goes an looks at the feats of Superman before COIE it becomes apparent that SBP wasn't doing anything near what he was capable of.
But in fact, that makes current Supes up there with 2 Pre-Crisis Kryptonians, in Superboy Prime and Golden Age Superman.
edit: Oh, and he was pushing planets around the universe at ftl speeds. And messed up the Titans/JSA past and present. And time travelled to get back from were the Flashes ran him too. And escaped the Phantom Zone dimension under his own power.
I like how you also posted the scans of Supes fighting off the Black Rock affected people Validus... Powergirl and Martian Manhunter and GL Kilowog are no jokes, add in the rest of them and it was a very very powerful team, even the new blue beetle was there, who in his solo series has gone toe to toe with Lonar [considered the best fighter on New Genesis outside Orion according to the 89-91 volume of New Gods.], as well going rounds with GL Guy, some magic users and others. Granted they aren't in their right minds its still a powerful team... I'm not sure it would matter too much given the other time a handful of issues back in the S/B series Superman took down Captain Atom, GL, and like a dozen others guys in a panel or two all the same.
Originally posted by Juntai
I dunno, all the Supermen were messing with time, going ftl speed[though it didn't write it in context for us. But the idea that when Lois died on Earth 2 the E2Supes screamed, Superman heard it on current Earth and flew all the way across the cosmos to where Earth 2 was by the time it stopped.], he blitzed all the lanterns at once after cutting through miles of energy. Maybe it was me, but I thought he was decently impressive, and again, decently represented. Especially when you consider how many characters the comics had to cover.But in fact, that makes current Supes up there with 2 Pre-Crisis Kryptonians, in Superboy Prime and Golden Age Superman.
edit: Oh, and he was pushing planets around the universe at ftl speeds. And messed up the Titans/JSA past and present. And time travelled to get back from were the Flashes ran him too. And escaped the Phantom Zone dimension under his own power.
I meant during the fights
But anyway Supes' current average is well below fending off PreCrisisKryptonians.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosI dunno, have you been reading Superman much recently? The guy is certainly crazy powerful.
I meant during the fightsBut anyway Supes' current average is well below fending off PreCrisisKryptonians.
Though I do grant you, Pre COIE the Kryptonians were written crazy, but the current one is written just as strong in the comics themselves. Not much else to be said there. The only real difference is a lack of utterly cheesy 70's acid-head writing. We have new millenium quality acid head writing.
Originally posted by Juntai
I like how you also posted the scans of Supes fighting off the Black Rock affected people Validus... Powergirl and Martian Manhunter and GL Kilowog are no jokes, add in the rest of them and it was a very very powerful team, even the new blue beetle was there, who in his solo series has gone toe to toe with Lonar [considered the best fighter on New Genesis outside Orion according to the 89-91 volume of New Gods.], as well going rounds with GL Guy, some magic users and others. Granted they aren't in their right minds its still a powerful team... I'm not sure it would matter too much given the other time a handful of issues back in the S/B series Superman took down Captain Atom, GL, and like a dozen others guys in a panel or two all the same.
Originally posted by Juntai
I dunno, have you been reading Superman much recently? The guy is certainly crazy powerful.
Not really but I hear they are starting to bring him back towards PreCOIE levels.
Originally posted by Juntai
Though I do grant you, Pre COIE the Kryptonians were written crazy, but the current one is written just as strong in the comics themselves. Not much else to be said there. The only real difference is a lack of utterly cheesy 70's acid-head writing. We have new millenium quality acid head writing.
😂 Which is why I think it will be hard to get him on PreCrisis levels. In the 70s writers really had no idea what they were talking about and now they might question some (OK a miniscule portion) potentialy insane feats for Supes.
srug At least he isn't casually time traveling at this point (at least I hope he's not)
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosHe's been moving 'back towards' those levels since the late 90s, he's pretty much there now.
Not really but I hear they are starting to bring him back towards PreCOIE levels.😂 Which is why I think it will be hard to get him on PreCrisis levels. In the 70s writers really had no idea what they were talking about and now they might question some (OK a miniscule portion) potentialy insane feats for Supes.
srug At least he isn't casually time traveling at this point (at least I hope he's not)
The casual time traveling the Pre-C Superman is the one thing he hasn't started doing on his own yet. Though I wouldn't be surprised if he could simply will a Sunstone to do it for him. Since the Sunstone and the Fortress are basically magic-level tech now. He seems to be able to will it to do whatever.