http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U3M2SDfxQw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87gRwkjqWhk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibkrPHA841g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rds_ljcVn-o&feature=related
I thought those was pretty funny. ECW FTW. WWE sucks balls now.
btw Michaels/Undertaker was another classic 5 star wrestlemania moment from the showstoppa himself. seriously, the performance HBK puts in his early 40's should tell you something. kurt angle/michaels, hhh/benoit/michaels, jericho/michaels, flair/michaels, hart/michaels, ramon/michaels and now taker/michaels. all 5 star matches with michaels name on it. no one can work the way this guy can, no one can deliver like this guy can. Hats off to HBK for yet another reason why he's the best there is, the best there was and the best there ever will be. Phuck Bret Hart. no one has more guts, courage and the will to entertain than HBK. Stone cold, rock, bret hard...all of them, they have nothing on Shawn Michaels. Austin and Rock were all attitude but they needed someone to carry them in a match, bret hart was not that entertaining at all, hogan was only gimmicks and entertainment but his matche sucked. Shawn has Rock's charisma, Stonecold's promos, bret hart's technicality, undertakers endurance and innovation, jeff hardy's high flying and daredevil antics...and whole lot more.
HBK: greatest wrestler alive
Originally posted by Sado22
HBK: greatest wrestler alive
IDK about that but him and Taker stole the show last night. I really wanted HBK to win it but I was happy with the result nonetheless. After the Money in The Bank and Taker/HBK match I got a bit excited thinking that after seeing their match, the main events were gonna be much better. How wrong I was. The Cena match was lame as hell. His entrance was plain ridiculous. Very "original". The Triple H match while it wasnt bad, it was nowhere as good as HBK/Taker's. Its a shame that the "main events" were not as good.
The diva battle royal was pointless. It seemed all over the place. What was the point of this past divas coming back for one night and not properly showcase any of them. While I like Santino, he should not have won. The title shouldve gone to one of the past divas (Trish or Victoria).
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
IDK about that but him and Taker stole the show last night. I really wanted HBK to win it but I was happy with the result nonetheless. After the Money in The Bank and Taker/HBK match I got a bit excited thinking that after seeing their match, the main events were gonna be much better. How wrong I was. The Cena match was lame as hell. His entrance was plain ridiculous. Very "original". The Triple H match while it wasnt bad, it was nowhere as good as HBK/Taker's. Its a shame that the "main events" were not as good.The diva battle royal was pointless. It seemed all over the place. What was the point of this past divas coming back for one night and not properly showcase any of them. While I like Santino, he should not have won. The title shouldve gone to one of the past divas (Trish or Victoria).
I agree with you and Sado. HBK is the best, the greatest entertainer alive(with Sting) ....I so wanted Shawn to end the streak last night.
Oh, whatever.
Shawn Michaels is not the best ever "entertainer" in the business, with regards to putting on the matches. He's certainly not as good as Taker or Foley.
As for technicality, it's barbarically retarded that you'd suggest he's the best. He's not even better than Shelton Benjamin, who is a legitimate wrestling champion, as in REAL wrestling.
There was absolutely NO reason to have Shawn end the streak, he had nothing to gain from winning and nothing to lose from losing. Taker had a decade and a half streak to lose, so it's obviously best he won.
That was the only good match, but that says something about the WWE.
When Taker, Michaels and Ricky Steamboat are the best three performers at a 2009 Wrestlemania; it's clear the WWE need to review their product.
-AC
Ditto. I heard that EDGE is injured tho. He's one of the greatest heels ever & unlike Cripple H, ratings go UP when he's got the belt. Let's be nice though. You remind me of the worst Mod ever(you know who) when you talk like that
Originally posted by Sado22Cripple H ain't exactly Dean Malenko(greatest technical wrestler EVER, waaay better than Bret. Slightly better than Owen. Dude won a PWI top 500 w/JUST his wrestling skill. Wasn't much for talking) either.
between him and i-cant-wrestle-for-nuts-orton i'd pick Triple H.
Originally posted by Sado22Nope. RVD is still alive(Always wanted to see him vs. Owen. Would have been like a better Bret v. a better Shawn). Old school S.Steiner was also better than Shawn has ever been. Strong as shit & mega agile w/real wrestling skill. Then there's also guys like Kenta Kobashi, KENTA, Low Ki, Jay Lethal, Bryan Danielson, Samoa Joe, AJ Styles & Dlo Brown running around. Rock & Austin didn't need anyone to carry them in a match. Both of them could get REAL technical when they needed too. Didn't as often as I'd have liked them to but WWE fans have never been too demanding about in-ring talent. Just look @Batista. HBK is great. One of the best ever, not the best ever. The Rock kills the shit out of him on charisma though. But the Rock does that 2everybody.
btw Michaels/Undertaker was another classic 5 star wrestlemania moment from the showstoppa himself. seriously, the performance HBK puts in his early 40's should tell you something. kurt angle/michaels, hhh/benoit/michaels, jericho/michaels, flair/michaels, hart/michaels, ramon/michaels and now taker/michaels. all 5 star matches with michaels name on it. no one can work the way this guy can, no one can deliver like this guy can. Hats off to HBK for yet another reason why he's the best there is, the best there was and the best there ever will be. Phuck Bret Hart. no one has more guts, courage and the will to entertain than HBK. Stone cold, rock, bret hard...all of them, they have nothing on Shawn Michaels. Austin and Rock were all attitude but they needed someone to carry them in a match, bret hart was not that entertaining at all, hogan was only gimmicks and entertainment but his matche sucked. Shawn has Rock's charisma, Stonecold's promos, bret hart's technicality, undertakers endurance and innovation, jeff hardy's high flying and daredevil antics...and whole lot more.HBK: greatest wrestler alive
IDK about that but him and Taker stole the show last night. I really wanted HBK to win it but I was happy with the result nonetheless. After the Money in The Bank and Taker/HBK match I got a bit excited thinking that after seeing their match, the main events were gonna be much better. How wrong I was. The Cena match was lame as hell. His entrance was plain ridiculous. Very "original". The Triple H match while it wasnt bad, it was nowhere as good as HBK/Taker's. Its a shame that the "main events" were not as good.
Shawn Michaels is not the best ever "entertainer" in the business, with regards to putting on the matches. He's certainly not as good as Taker or Foley.
that said, hbk's been wrestling with a broken back, damaged knees, taking back drops and last ride powerbombs, putting over guys like Cena who he shouldnt ever be putting over and being in his early 40's and giving us 5star matches when people half his age have trouble giving in 3star matches is what makes him a great entertainer. foley was good on the mic but not as good as hbk and taker doesn't really have mic work. hbk is awesome as both heel and face, is top baby face and doesn't hog attention by winning gold but lets others take it. need i mention hbk losing to cena at wrestlemania...of all stages.
As for technicality, it's barbarically retarded that you'd suggest he's the best. He's not even better than Shelton Benjamin, who is a legitimate wrestling champion, as in REAL wrestling.
btw it's a bit dumb that you think i'm saying HBK is the most techncal wrestler around. that's not what i said. i was saying that shawn's the complete package=speed, highflier, technical, charisma, mic work, style, innovation and love for the business. Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle are hands down the best technical wrestlers in my book....to name a few. but bret hart was way overrated imo.
There was absolutely NO reason to have Shawn end the streak, he had nothing to gain from winning and nothing to lose from losing. Taker had a decade and a half streak to lose, so it's obviously best he won.
That was the only good match, but that says something about the WWE. When Taker, Michaels and Ricky Steamboat are the best three performers at a 2009 Wrestlemania; it's clear the WWE need to review their product.
Ditto. I heard that EDGE is injured tho. He's one of the greatest heels ever & unlike Cripple H, ratings go UP when he's got the belt. Let's be nice though. You remind me of the worst Mod ever(you know who) when you talk like that
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
all respect to undertaker and foley, they are living legends and nothing pissed me off more than to have foley have the gold around his waist for only one night. but fact is, foley was more of a brawling bump-taker than a technical wrestler. undertaker, however, is a great technical wrestler.
Neither of them are great technical wrestlers, and Foley makes the point of why Taker is the best overall sports entertainer in one of his books.
You can have all the highflying and technical wrestling that you want, but at the end of the day, none of it is going to be as exciting as watching Undertaker dive over the top rope with his arms out wide and his legs together, gliding through the air.
Taker gives double the excitement of HBK in less time and with less effort.
Taker's entrance alone generates more excitement.
Originally posted by Sado22
that said, hbk's been wrestling with a broken back, damaged knees, taking back drops and last ride powerbombs, putting over guys like Cena who he shouldnt ever be putting over and being in his early 40's and giving us 5star matches when people half his age have trouble giving in 3star matches is what makes him a great entertainer. foley was good on the mic but not as good as hbk and taker doesn't really have mic work. hbk is awesome as both heel and face, is top baby face and doesn't hog attention by winning gold but lets others take it. need i mention hbk losing to cena at wrestlemania...of all stages.
If you don't feel it's down to ego, then you're wrong. It's been ALLEGED for years that HBK and the rest have of the "Kliq" have had a lot of pulling power in the WWE, and have always really had their best interests at heart.
Taker has never broken kayfabe unprofessionally. All he has ever requested is a shorted and smaller scheduled to account for his getting older. He's always willing to put people over, he's never seemingly concerned about having title runs.
The only thing he has is the streak.
Originally posted by Sado22
right and the last 5star match this guy had was a few years ago....with shawn michaels. he's natural athelete no doubt but but he's got YEARS to go before he can even light a candle to rocker's shawn.
I was referring to the guy who said he was the best wrestler/technical wrestler.
Originally posted by Sado22
btw it's a bit dumb that you think i'm saying HBK is the most techncal wrestler around. that's not what i said. i was saying that shawn's the complete package=speed, highflier, technical, charisma, mic work, style, innovation and love for the business. Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle are hands down the best technical wrestlers in my book....to name a few. but bret hart was way overrated imo.
How is he the complete package?
He can't move at the speed he used to, nor do half the high-flying regular stuff. "Style" and "Innovation" are nothing catagories. He and Razor Ramon made the Ladder Match legendary, ok, great. There have been better ones since. He was in the first Cell match with Taker, but we can all agree that Taker/Foley was a better one.
Originally posted by Sado22
ditto. they need a good big baby face to save it. Edge is doing a very, very good job as a heel but as of yet they don't have someone to compliment him in terms of face charisma. Edge oozes badass heelness these days but no one's there to fit the bill for babyface. HBK fits it and so does taker, but they need a new generation because there is only so much these two can do. they keep trying to bill Cena as the next big thing but the more they do the more the crowd hates him. Jericho can be a big face too but for some reason they keep turning him heel.ditto about the greatest heel. he also puts over other guys and his in-ring performance is usually good too. the only problem with edge is that he truly shines when he has someone to work with. people like Batista tend to dull him as well and make him look bad too. but then again, batista even makes hbk look bad.
~Sado
Edge is shit. I don't dislike him cos he's a heel and I'm meant to, he's actually dull and boring.
A long time ago, he was one of the very most promising talents the company had. Then, they acquired a massive amount of new talent from WCW and ECW, they wasted them all. Then pushed them when it was too late, or in some sad cases, pushed them only to lose.
Booker T was a GREAT star, a GREAT star. What happened? They pushed him to Wrestlemania and had Triple H bury him.
They ruined Kane, they let Van Dam smoulder in the mid-card until he eventually became self-parody, leaving his matches with Jerry Lynn as nothing more than a memory. They neglected Tazz.
Two massively overlooked cases; they totally missed the boat on Sean o' Haire and why Diamond Dallas Page wasn't being pushed as a top guy was beyond me.
Scott Steiner, fine. He came in and he didn't help himself. He couldn't work a mic OR a match anymore. Goldberg was rusty but probably would have got better in time, even though he was leaving.
The only one they successfully pushed at the right time, ALL the way, was Lesnar. He came in, destroyed everyone, won everything. Then they made him a face, which just takes away the brutality that being a heel allowed him to have.
I hate to be all "I could do a better job.", but there are chances that WWE are CLEARLY missing here.
-AC
i have to be honest, i thought booker t was dull an uninspiring to watch.
wrestlemania was alrite, but trying to follw taker and hbk must have been daunting. that was a great match. the whole chris jericho V legends then mickey rourke smacking him was terrible, its a pity stone cold wouldnt have one more match.
hhh and orton, it was average at best, all the hype that built up and we didnt get a match to do it all justice... enjoyed the storyline. thought orton would have best suited win and have triple h and the mcmahons chase after orton and legacy would have been a good way to start after wrestlemania.
cena v show v edge was disappointing, just nothing memorable happened.
hardy match wasnt too bad, liked that matt won over the popular jeff, means the storyline will continue and imo matt is generally better, though both of they're mic skills arent great.
money in the bank was alrite, but preferred last years. kane didnt have much to do and cmpunk winning it again? christ... oops i mean christian... should have won it. would love to see a fued with edge and christian, perhaps even reforming and having some matches against carito and primo and miz and morrison, think theres a lot of scope there to bring the tag team action into some focus... speaking of which...
where was the tag match? i heard the tag belts were being turned into one set at wrestlemania... did i miss a match on raw or smackdown?
diva battle royal was utter wank. as funny as santino can be, it just didnt work here.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriEdge is the #1heel. I don't see what makes him any more boring than anybody else. Goldberg was a guy w/in-ring talent that got waay too much waay too soon & it made him into an @sshole(makes one feel like they don't need to get better). His mic work consisted of him saying "Who's next?". He got put in there w/Bret b4 he was ready & he ruined Bret's career. WWE never should have hired him. Linda Mac said he was a disappointment as champion. Didn't disappoint me @all 'cuz I knew it was dumb to give him the strap. Booker was great. Cripple H seems to love burying those who are better than him(pretty much everybody). Can't stand the guy. Heard that Taker was an @sshole during the invasion & didn't wanna put ANY of the WCW or ECW guys over. Don't like peopke like that. Taz was one of the best. Wish they'd have done more w/him.Neither of them are great technical wrestlers, and Foley makes the point of why Taker is the best overall sports entertainer in one of his books.
You can have all the highflying and technical wrestling that you want, but at the end of the day, none of it is going to be as exciting as watching Undertaker dive over the top rope with his arms out wide and his legs together, gliding through the air.
Taker gives double the excitement of HBK in less time and with less effort.
Taker's entrance alone generates more excitement.
If you don't feel it's down to ego, then you're wrong. It's been ALLEGED for years that HBK and the rest have of the "Kliq" have had a lot of pulling power in the WWE, and have always really had their best interests at heart.
Taker has never broken kayfabe unprofessionally. All he has ever requested is a shorted and smaller scheduled to account for his getting older. He's always willing to put people over, he's never seemingly concerned about having title runs.
The only thing he has is the streak.
I was referring to the guy who said he was the best wrestler/technical wrestler.
How is he the complete package?
He can't move at the speed he used to, nor do half the high-flying regular stuff. "Style" and "Innovation" are nothing catagories. He and Razor Ramon made the Ladder Match legendary, ok, great. There have been better ones since. He was in the first Cell match with Taker, but we can all agree that Taker/Foley was a better one.
Edge is shit. I don't dislike him cos he's a heel and I'm meant to, he's actually dull and boring.
A long time ago, he was one of the very most promising talents the company had. Then, they acquired a massive amount of new talent from WCW and ECW, they wasted them all. Then pushed them when it was too late, or in some sad cases, pushed them only to lose.
Booker T was a GREAT star, a GREAT star. What happened? They pushed him to Wrestlemania and had Triple H bury him.
They ruined Kane, they let Van Dam smoulder in the mid-card until he eventually became self-parody, leaving his matches with Jerry Lynn as nothing more than a memory. They neglected Tazz.
Two massively overlooked cases; they totally missed the boat on Sean o' Haire and why Diamond Dallas Page wasn't being pushed as a top guy was beyond me.
Scott Steiner, fine. He came in and he didn't help himself. He couldn't work a mic OR a match anymore. Goldberg was rusty but probably would have got better in time, even though he was leaving.
The only one they successfully pushed at the right time, ALL the way, was Lesnar. He came in, destroyed everyone, won everything. Then they made him a face, which just takes away the brutality that being a heel allowed him to have.
I hate to be all "I could do a better job.", but there are chances that WWE are CLEARLY missing here.
-AC [/B]