lol i'm really not a batista fan.
i'd say orton is a better heel than edge right now, edge has a slightly more comedic value to him but still does a great job, tho its probably more that i hate this whole vickie thing. its terrible! taking the piss out of hhh and steph i think.
sucks about the tag titles being dropped... was looking forward to it and would have been mych better than the dive and kid rock crap!
Originally posted by I-Drop
Edge is the #1heel. I don't see what makes him any more boring than anybody else. Goldberg was a guy w/in-ring talent that got waay too much waay too soon & it made him into an @sshole(makes one feel like they don't need to get better). His mic work consisted of him saying "Who's next?". He got put in there w/Bret b4 he was ready & he ruined Bret's career. WWE never should have hired him. Linda Mac said he was a disappointment as champion. Didn't disappoint me @all 'cuz I knew it was dumb to give him the strap. Booker was great. Cripple H seems to love burying those who are better than him(pretty much everybody). Can't stand the guy. Heard that Taker was an @sshole during the invasion & didn't wanna put ANY of the WCW or ECW guys over. Don't like peopke like that. Taz was one of the best. Wish they'd have done more w/him.
I am sorry but can you PLEASE explain your beef with Hunter all you ever do is take shots at him. Do you think you can be successful as he has been...just asking.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Irrelevant.Someone not having the same level of success doesn't remove their right to criticise. He isn't saying HE could do better, either. He's saying the job Triple H is doing is not a good one.
-AC
I am asking him for his reasoning, BECAUSE every thing he states about Triple H, he makes it seem like Triple H(to me) has done sh!t in his whole career. The point of me asking if HE could do better, I dont know lets just say that was a smarta$$ question on my part...okay?
I-Drop I am not trying to take shots at you man just asking that is all.(about your dislike of Triple H)
lol, as far as I-drop is concerned i think he's convinced Triple H sank the titanic, carried out the holocast, was behind the 9/11 attacks and is actually Bib Laden wearing a mask 😄
honestly though, triple h is a great wrestler. the guy was single handedly carrying RAW since the bands split. he had deadweights to work with like Scott Steiner, Booker, Goldberg, Kevin Nash, gave in solid performances, lead the most successful stable next to DX (evolution) and was the other part of some of the best matches RAW was dishing out. while Smackdown was having Brock Lesnar, Edge, Kurt Angle, Taker, Benoit and the up-and-coming Cena, RAW had Triple H dragging around idiots like Goldberg, Batista, Nash, Steiner. the only thing remotely good was the fact that HBK was the babyface but the fact that he wouldn't be champ took the piss out of it. it became obvious that HBK wouldn't win gold. with HBK out of it, there was no one else worthy of carrying the show. RVD and Y2J were good but the fans stopped being behind RVD later on in his run at RAW and Y2J was still being billed as heel with his run with Christian. with that, there was no one else who could carry it. that's just how it was. they were betting on Orton being able to do that, but Orton SUCKED as face and screwed it all up once again. and lets not forget how Trips lost EVERY wrestlemania since WrestlemaniaXIX, going out of his way to even tapout for Benoit. he even tried to put Eugene over him at one point, gracefully but Shelton over him, put Edge over him, put Batista over him, put Goldberg over him, let steiner strip him and humiliate him, put Flair over him, put Orton over him, put Kevin Nash over him, even put HBK over him and dropped the ball to him. not to mention his in-ring performance, mic work, his durability as the guy who still comes on the next show after a hell-in-a-cell match while anyone else would actually take the day off. trips has been in some of the most goriest, draining, punishing matches and he did his part perfectly. the guy's bladed his forehead so many times when he frowns he looks twice his age. i bet the guy even bladed himself on his wedding!
Triple H isn't a career burrier. he's the guy everyone blames when they can't make it themselves. *spits water out and does the The Game pose*
~Triple S 😈
Originally posted by Sado22
lol, as far as I-drop is concerned i think he's convinced Triple H sank the titanic, carried out the holocast, was behind the 9/11 attacks and is actually Bib Laden wearing a mask 😄honestly though, triple h is a great wrestler. the guy was single handedly carrying RAW since the bands split. he had deadweights to work with like Scott Steiner, Booker, Goldberg, Kevin Nash, gave in solid performances, lead the most successful stable next to DX (evolution) and was the other part of some of the best matches RAW was dishing out. while Smackdown was having Brock Lesnar, Edge, Kurt Angle, Taker, Benoit and the up-and-coming Cena, RAW had Triple H dragging around idiots like Goldberg, Batista, Nash, Steiner. the only thing remotely good was the fact that HBK was the babyface but the fact that he wouldn't be champ took the piss out of it. it became obvious that HBK wouldn't win gold. with HBK out of it, there was no one else worthy of carrying the show. RVD and Y2J were good but the fans stopped being behind RVD later on in his run at RAW and Y2J was still being billed as heel with his run with Christian. with that, there was no one else who could carry it. that's just how it was. they were betting on Orton being able to do that, but Orton SUCKED as face and screwed it all up once again. and lets not forget how Trips lost EVERY wrestlemania since WrestlemaniaXIX, going out of his way to even tapout for Benoit. he even tried to put Eugene over him at one point, gracefully but Shelton over him, put Edge over him, put Batista over him, put Goldberg over him, let steiner strip him and humiliate him, put Flair over him, put Orton over him, put Kevin Nash over him, even put HBK over him and dropped the ball to him. not to mention his in-ring performance, mic work, his durability as the guy who still comes on the next show after a hell-in-a-cell match while anyone else would actually take the day off. trips has been in some of the most goriest, draining, punishing matches and he did his part perfectly. the guy's bladed his forehead so many times when he frowns he looks twice his age. i bet the guy even bladed himself on his wedding!
Triple H isn't a career burrier. he's the guy everyone blames when they can't make it themselves. *spits water out and does the The Game pose*
~Triple S 😈
He buried Booker and Goldberg. Same as Steiner.
Steiner was asked to go for a steroids test, and when he said "If Triple H does.", they retracted their request, but made sure they buried him.
He never "put over" anybody because he's always gonna just end up burying them.
Booker T was never a deadweight.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centaurii agree with AC, HHH is they
He buried Booker and Goldberg. Same as Steiner.Steiner was asked to go for a steroids test, and when he said "If Triple H does.", they retracted their request, but made sure they buried him.
He never "put over" anybody because he's always gonna just end up burying them.
Booker T was never a deadweight.
-AC
The amount of wrestler's career's he has buried/destroyed is terrible.
Apart from his little band of buddy's Orton,Batista,HBK when he returned he refuses to put any newcomer/up and comers over, that's why he didnt want fight Hogan at mania after hogans NWO turn because he feared hogan would steal his thunder.
Originally posted by P-GeyserProbably due to Austin carrying him. Cena had a long boring reign. Crips had shorter, but just as boring runs. Cena's long run was meant to show that it's not just HHH's belt anymore. How many great matches has Cripple H been in? How many has he been in where the other guy didn't carry his lame @ss like a wheelbarrow? The guys had so many title reigns that didn't mean ANYthing. Don't forget the one where bish just created a belt & gave it 2him. Lame. All the titles in the world ain't gonna put him anywhere NEAR Flair's level so he should quit trying 2be Flair. Evolution? LAME & if you consider them a success then standards for stables are DOWN. DX 1 was good. DX2 was boring & stupid & unfunny & thank god it's over. &Let's not make excuses for the WM25 main event. "Oh It had a tuff act 2follow. HBK/Taker was sooo good." BULLSHIT! Crips/Orton just didn't deliver on ANY level. NOT main event material. Rock/Hogan was somehow a great matchup because the Rock could have a good one w/damn near anybody. HHH/Hogan? Horrible match! Cuz HHH can't carry ANYBODY to a great match. Booker>>>HHH will ever be. Crips comeback match w/Booker was pointless & Booker still outperformed him. Booker/Benoit series was an absolute classic. Every match in it better than ANY match Crips ever been in. HHH comeback against Y2J was dumb, predictable and the only saving grace was that because Y2j lost to HHH, he didn't have to lose to Hogan. HHH ain't been carrying shit. Raw just ain't been as good w/out Austin or the Rock. I remember reading how he main evented 3WM in a row & each was a disappointment w/worse ratings than the last. Christian shot on how "Paul" was getting a disproportionate amount of screen time. HHH has benefited waaaaay 2much from fu<king the boss's daughter. They botched RVD. The dude was in the ring w/the Rock & was still getting his name chanted. Then they had him lose a stupid feud w/Kane. Then when they finally did push him, it was implied that Cena was better than him, Edge AND Kurt Angle. The fans never gave up on RVD. WWE did.
Yeah. Let us also not forget that Hunter put over Dave THREE times in a row and did not hold the belt like what for 2 years(during Cena's long reighn)I loved the Mcmahon/Helmsley era...Hunter was a fantastic heel and the match he had with Austin at No Way Out was awsome as hell.
Originally posted by P-Geyser😂
I am sorry but can you PLEASE explain your beef with Hunter all you ever do is take shots at him. Do you think you can be successful as he has been...just asking.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriGood post.
Irrelevant.Someone not having the same level of success doesn't remove their right to criticise. He isn't saying HE could do better, either. He's saying the job Triple H is doing is not a good one.
-AC
Originally posted by I-Drop
Probably due to Austin carrying him.
No the match was equal.
Originally posted by I-Drop
How many has he been in where the other guy didn't carry his lame @ss like a wheelbarrow?
Hunter had great matches with Foley, HBK, Stone Cold, The Rock and none of them carried him.
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Originally posted by I-Drop
All the titles in the world ain't gonna put him anywhere NEAR Flair's level so he should quit trying 2be Flair.
I dont know maybe he is trying to be LIKE Flair, because he admires him so much..who dosen't admire RIC FLAIR.
Originally posted by I-Drop
Evolution? LAME & if you consider them a success then standards for stables are DOWN. DX 1 was good. DX2 was boring & stupid & unfunny & thank god it's over.
Evoution was so so but I AGREE DX1 was better with Shawn at the helm so you don't have to be mistaken on what I said. DX2 was okay but not as the first group.
Originally posted by I-Drop
&Let's not make excuses for the WM25 main event.
I agree the Shawn/Taker match stole the show at mania. I will admit I was expecting more from Hunter AND Orton.
Since I don't want to quote everything you stated, you read Christian had said Hunter had way to much screen time and he benifits from sticking the bossess daughter. Well three things....where did this source come from...second link to me(Im lazy as well)Second everyone knows Hunter is accussed of Backstage politicks. Even Edge said it to him backstage live on RAW.
Dont know what happened in the Booker T match in all honsety I can't comment.
Lastly I think RVD is the man and WWE misused him that I also agree on.
to be coninued
Originally posted by P-Geyser
Hunter had great matches with Foley, HBK, Stone Cold, The Rock and none of them carried him.
Oh please.
He hadn't had a good match off equal work since his match with The Rock at Summerslam '98.
Foley is the one who made him look brilliant first of all. If it weren't for these guys and being liked by Steph, the guy would still be fighting for the I.C. belt.
-AC
He buried Booker and Goldberg. Same as Steiner.
Steiner was asked to go for a steroids test, and when he said "If Triple H does.", they retracted their request, but made sure they buried him.
He never "put over" anybody because he's always gonna just end up burying them.
Booker T was never a deadweight
Probably due to Austin carrying him.
Cena had a long boring reign. Crips had shorter, but just as boring runs.
How many great matches has Cripple H been in?
How many has he been in where the other guy didn't carry his lame @ss like a wheelbarrow?
Don't forget the one where bish just created a belt & gave it 2him. Lame.
All the titles in the world ain't gonna put him anywhere NEAR Flair's level so he should quit trying 2be Flair.
Evolution? LAME & if you consider them a success then standards for stables are DOWN.
DX 1 was good. DX2 was boring & stupid & unfunny & thank god it's over.
Let's not make excuses for the WM25 main event. "Oh It had a tuff act 2follow. HBK/Taker was sooo good." BULLSHIT! Crips/Orton just didn't deliver on ANY level. NOT main event material. Rock/Hogan was somehow a great matchup because the Rock could have a good one w/damn near anybody.
HHH/Hogan? Horrible match! Cuz HHH can't carry ANYBODY to a great match.
Booker>>>HHH will ever be.
Crips comeback match w/Booker was pointless & Booker still outperformed him. Booker/Benoit series was an absolute classic.
They botched RVD. The dude was in the ring w/the Rock & was still getting his name chanted. Then they had him lose a stupid feud w/Kane. Then when they finally did push him, it was implied that Cena was better than him, Edge AND Kurt Angle. The fans never gave up on RVD. WWE did.
~Sado
i enjoy triple h's matches, yes, hes not the greatest wrestler but he works hard and always shows an enormous amount of passion in the ring. what he lacks in technique he makes up for easily with mic skills, image and passion.
i've never liked rvd, he just looks... daft. i dont really like the highflying stuff tho so i never was gonna get on with him.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Oh please.He hadn't had a good match off equal work since his match with The Rock at Summerslam '98.
Foley is the one who made him look brilliant first of all. If it weren't for these guys and being liked by Steph, the guy would still be fighting for the I.C. belt.
Oh please my a$$. Hunter vs the Rock at judgement day in an Iron match was great and the Rock did not make him look "brilliant". As well Foley is no wrestling genious...the guy loves to punish his body and thats it. People love to see that. I think he no way shape or form carried hunter at the garden and the cell. The rest is all heresay.
Originally posted by vandalworks
i enjoy triple h's matches, yes, hes not the greatest wrestler but he works hard and always shows an enormous amount of passion in the ring. what he lacks in technique he makes up for easily with mic skills, image and passion.
Exactly. Were are not claiming Hunter is the greatest wrestler, but these guys think he can't do anything worth a damn in the ring.
Foley took bumps to make Cripple H look good. The Rock/Foley feud>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cripple H/Foley.
Originally posted by Sado22😂 Good one, mane
it was a childish thing to do. they wouldn't have allowed trips to be guest judge at mr. olympia if he was a steroid taker.
Originally posted by Sado22Austin ALWAYS carried HHH just like the Rock & HBK have. With them gone, the greatness came to a screeching halt because HHH ain't worthy of carrying the company like they were. Name some of these "best" matches he was involved in. No one ever carried Trips? 😂
bull. Austin was a brawler post-neck injury. austin couldn't have carried trips. no one has ever carried trips. not to mention the fact that HHH has been in the best matches from the RAW band since 2002. now once or twice could mean something but it can't happen more than that and it sure as hell can't happen for 7 years in a row.
Originally posted by Sado22Cena brings in mo' cash to the WWE than Cripple H does. I'm not a Cena mark but the guy brings in the kids & they bring in money.
Triple H as heel got less boos than Cena did as face. when trips came back after his injury he got cheers. cena came back from his injury and he got boos.
Originally posted by Sado22Never saw his matches w/Steiner, but I heard they weren't good so so much for making Steiner look good. Goldberg matches weren't good either. Very forgettable series. Booker did the best that he could w/a cripple like HHH. The matches weren't good.....due to Cripple H. He didn't make Orton look good. Orton did the best he could w/a cripple also. Cripple H/Orton was a lame match. I remember in one of their earlier matches Cripple H crippled himself doing a spinebuster 🙂 WM25 had a VERY meh main event. Cripple H once again shows us why he shouldn't be main eventing, especially @WM.
if the guy can make steiner, goldberg, booker, batista, cena, flair and orton look good then we know for sure that HE is the one whose doing the carrying.
Originally posted by Sado22We agree on 2 things then 'cuz Goldberg was NOT a good performer. Could have been, but wasn't.
yeah that was lame. no denying.
Originally posted by Sado22Flair is OLDER than dirt & he still puts on better matches than the lame. What's the last great match HHH had? Exactly. HBK/Flair match was better than HBK/HHH matches IIRC. Do the math & Flair's last GREAT match was waaay more recent than Cripple H's last GOOD one.
whats the last great match flair had? last mania because HBK was dragging and carrying his old keister around. all of flair's achievements in mind, don't tell me that you actually think that he won 16 times without backstage politics now do you?
Originally posted by Sado22They were a lame ass wannabe horsemen & they didn't last because of it. They really weren't much of importance. Not very good for ratings either.
evolution was freakin huge at the time. not DX or nWo but it was big.
Originally posted by Sado22Wish Cripple H was more like him. HBK Hogan & Rock/Hogan were better than HHH/Hogan & were also better than HHH/Orton. Do the math. Rock/Hogan(& I can't stand Hogan) was a good match & one of the wrestlers said it was his Fave WM moment. Rock had a better match w/Hogan than Cripple H did because the Rock is just better @everything than Crips. There's no dancing around THAT. 🙂 I need to see this Ironman match. Probably was Rock trying to make Cripple H look good. Easier to make Hogan look good than Cripple H
and yet DX only became REALLY big once Trips took charge of it.
really? rock wasn't much of a worker. he entertained and danced around and did extra flashy moves to make an elbow drop look good but once you cut through it all, Rock was often dragged by other people. HHH dragged Rock like hell during their ironman match for one.
the only man to ever get a good match out of hogan was HBK. and that's because that man can get you a 4/5 star match out of an empty room.
Originally posted by Sado22Booker>>>Cripple H.
keyword there is Benoit, not booker.
Originally posted by Sado22Show me where I blamed Cripple H 4that?
no one told RVD to get caught wth drugs now did they? hows that trips fault? 😕
Originally posted by Sado22RVD was getting the stupidest push ever when he got caught w/those drugs. That's RVD. They took his belt away and made him a jobber again. He's got no respect for the stupid US drug policy that clearly does more harm than good. Fuk stupid laws! Never knew Cena beat Benoit in a sub match. That's really fuked up. Looking 4 it on the net.
I'm a big RVD fan but what he did was f'ing stupid. and heck, since 2004 WWE has implied that Cena>HHH, HBK, Taker, Hogan, Flair, Edge. heck they had him beat Benoit in a submission match. so small wonder that he beat Kurt or RVD.
Originally posted by Sado22
getting stripped to his underwear at RAW, getting pwned in everything and making steiner look like a beast is not putting him over? the same steiner whose mic performace was shite, his in-ring performance was shite and his promos sucked. he was big at first but in just 2 weeks his level of suckiness was so bad they had no choice but to put him at mid card level. fact is, maybe steiner was the shite at WCW but at WWE he barely did squat. he just sucked.
goldberg.....please. he dropped the ball to him. what else do you want him to do? the crowd just kept booing goldberg from start to finish at wwe. to STILL put him over and lose against him that also considering the kind of godawful shite goldberg was....no.
as for Booker, good ol' book never really did much at RAW. it had nothing to do with trips. the crowd just wasn't behind him that much. even at WM19 the crowd was cheering from trips not booker.
Steiner didn't help himself, but Triple H was willing to do all that stuff because he knew that ultimately, Steiner wouldn't ever be put above him in the pecking order, and he wasn't. Stop being so naive.
Booker T was a favourite for MANY, MANY fans. He was buried the minute he walked through the door.
That's why Sting said he'd never come to WWE, because he saw the distain and disrespect that the WWE has for guys that worked for other companies.
Booker T was in the ring, the Raw after he debuted, and The Rock said to him "Who the Hell are you?". Sting correctly said that such utter distain, such disrespect meant that nobody from other companies was ever gonna get the kinda run Triple H got. Even more so now that he was dating Steph, and even MORE now that he is family and she is creative writer.
Originally posted by Sado22
it was a childish thing to do. they wouldn't have allowed trips to be guest judge at mr. olympia if he was a steroid taker.
So why didn't they make him get tested? They were adamant about Steiner getting tested, but when he said "Trip can too.", they let Steiner go.
Originally posted by Sado22
list of people he's put over since the bands split:
-HBK
-Booker T
-Kevin Nash
-Goldbeg
-John Cena
-Chris Benoit
-Shelton Benjamin
-Edge
-Steiner
-Randy Orton
-Ric Flair
Wait, do you know what "Put Over" means? It means making a wrestler get "over" (Popular) with the crowd, or making them look legitimately good by taking a loss.
HBK, Booker T, Kevin Nash, Goldberg, Benoit, Steiner, Flair.
These are people and performers who were already way, way over OR successful before Triple H, or without his influence. Kevin Nash was WWE Champion for about two years while Triple H was still a lower carder, getting squashed by Ultimate Warrior at Wrestlemania.
Goldberg was over the minute they suggested he was coming to WWE and he stepped into the ring with The Rock.
Same for Steiner, go watch his Survivor Series debut. All of Madison Square Garden were cheering for him and were on their feet.
HBK, Flair, Booker T. All massively successful before Triple H was even around.
He didn't "put" anyone over. They let a few of them get wins over him because they knew he'd be getting the strap back as a result of politics. Goldberg took the Elimination Chamber by storm, he had all the big spots. What happened? Triple H won with sledgehammer without even having to fight much.
That's burying. Burying is letting Booker T get a massive push, a run that everybody loved, then burying him at Wrestlemania.
So no, go learn your history.
Originally posted by Sado22
maybe not, but he was never anything above midcard level either.
Of course he was. Have you ever seen his WCW matches?
Originally posted by P-Geyser
Oh please my a$$. Hunter vs the Rock at judgement day in an Iron match was great and the Rock did not make him look "brilliant". As well Foley is no wrestling genious...the guy loves to punish his body and thats it. People love to see that. I think he no way shape or form carried hunter at the garden and the cell. The rest is all heresay.
Yes, and how does he punish his body? By putting people over and letting them batter him.
"OH MY GOD! TRIPLE H IS BRUTAL! HE'S EVIL!". He wouldn't have seemed HALF as calculating or brutal if Foley didn't let him seem that way. Fact.
As for the hear say; Triple H won his first title during his time with The Corporation, he was already in great favour with Steph.
Passion? The man doesn't HAVE to work hard. He is always going to either have the title or be fighting for the title.
Let me ask you this; if he split with Steph, do you believe he would still have this level of status?
He'd be on Heat fighting Funaki before you can say "Ironic burial".
He is a 13 or 14 time champion. That's two less than Ric Flair and it's all happened in the past 10 years. Flair is a 16 time champion based on a career much, much longer.
You're gonna tell me this is because Triple H is good enough? There have been plenty of people who could carry the strap. I'm not even saying Triple H shouldn't have won the title, at one point he was brilliant (Mostly cos he was having great matches with Foley, or in his earlier career, The Rock and then Austin). However, he has buried people.
Goldberg, fair enough. He wasn't staying anyway, but he was still better.
Steiner, fine. Wasn't helping himself and performed like shit, nothing like his WCW days.
Booker T, RVD, Kane etc. He's buried them all.
-AC
Foley took bumps to make Cripple H look good. The Rock/Foley feud>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cripple H/Foley.
Good one, mane
Austin ALWAYS carried HHH just like the Rock & HBK have.
With them gone, the greatness came to a screeching halt because HHH ain't worthy of carrying the company like they were. Name some of these "best" matches he was involved in. No one ever carried Trips?
Cena brings in mo' cash to the WWE than Cripple H does. I'm not a Cena mark but the guy brings in the kids & they bring in money
We agree on 2 things then 'cuz Goldberg was NOT a good performer. Could have been, but wasn't.
Flair is OLDER than dirt & he still puts on better matches than the lame. What's the last great match HHH had? Exactly. HBK/Flair match was better than HBK/HHH matches IIRC. Do the math & Flair's last GREAT match was waaay more recent than Cripple H's last GOOD one.
They were a lame ass wannabe horsemen & they didn't last because of it. They really weren't much of importance. Not very good for ratings either.
Rock had a better match w/Hogan than Cripple H did because the Rock is just better @everything than Crips. There's no dancing around THAT
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