Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
"This list is purely based on who's generally more versed to win in these versus threads, from a combat standpoint."If everyone based their list on this, Sion would always be #1, and it's generally what I like to base my list on.
Then don't expect us to adhere to the delusion that Sion is "uber powerful", when the truth is, people like Luke or Sidious and so forth are simply miles ahead of him in both skill and power. Furthermore, Sion would lose to Traya or Sidious - both are master manipulators and would have his world upside down in a matter of seconds.
Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Updated:1. Darth Sion - can't be killed through combat.
No, just, no. Darth Sion is not that powerful. In KOTOR the only reason his will must be broken is because your character lacks the power to do anything else. I mean, what would he do against Luke, who can take his head off easily. And even if he could survive that (which I doubt), then he just get's his head force tossed in the other direction while his opponent laughs as Sion's body tries to find it a la POTC2
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2. Zonama Sekot - a fricking force sensitive planet, almost impossible to harm, and has some pretty awesome raw capabilities.
Meh, just due to it's nature I generally don't include Zonama Sekot in any argument involving force sensitive characters, it's to ambiguous.
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3. Darth Nihilus - raw power to drain a planet full of force sensitives, can't be sensed by the force, and is immune to direct force attacks.
Once again, fail. If nothing else, Nihilus is behind Sidious who's the most powerful sith of all time, not evening mentioning the likes of the Skywalkers
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4. Revan - defeated SF Malak (who was powered up by an entire race) two consecutive times (during KotOR), and then went through a major power surge after regainign his lost memories (post KotOR).
Revan...ahead of Luke, yoda, Sids? What's more your argument about his memories returning is very lame. In KOTOR they say numerous times that his old mind is for the most part gone, as we can see some memories have come back, but there's nothing to suggest that they'd all return, and even if more did come back it wouldn't matter as he wouldn't use his Sith knowledge again anyway.
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5. Luke Skywalker - manipulated a dovin basal, and owned UnuThul.
This is number one right here, no question, I don't need to parrot the arguments that have been made again and again.
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6. UnuThul - powered up by an entire race of force sensitives.
As soon as Luke got serious, he owned Thul, and that was with Lomi plo was it not?
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7. SF Darth Malak - "powered up by an entire race of force
sensitives."
Again, no. Malak with the SF power still got tooled by Revan
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8. Jacen Solo - can create force bubbles that can block turbolaser blasts, gave Luke a run for his money in combat, can manipulate loops in the force, and can become completely invisible and unsensable in the force.
Needs to be higher up on the list, possibly number 2.
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9. Kyp Durron - manipulated Dovin Basals with more ease than Luke.
Again, needs to be higher up.
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10. Darth Sidious - was able to move at speeds faster than the eyes could see for a long period of time, and was so powerful that the sheer energies being let off by him in combat were powerful enough to kill nearby stormtroopers.
Sidious is the most powerful Sith of all time, that you didn't even put him in the top 5 shows how lame your list is.
Odd, for someone who constantly rants about the greatness that is Bane I'm surprised that he didn't make your list.
Originally posted by Pwned61
No, just, no. Darth Sion is not that powerful. In KOTOR the only reason his will must be broken is because your character lacks the power to do anything else. I mean, what would he do against Luke, who can take his head off easily. And even if he could survive that (which I doubt), then he just get's his head force tossed in the other direction while his opponent laughs as Sion's body tries to find it a la POTC2
Originally posted by Pwned61
Once again, fail. If nothing else, Nihilus is behind Sidious who's the most powerful sith of all time, not evening mentioning the likes of the Skywalkers
Originally posted by Pwned61
Revan...ahead of Luke, yoda, Sids? What's more your argument about his memories returning is very lame. In KOTOR they say numerous times that his old mind is for the most part gone, as we can see some memories have come back, but there's nothing to suggest that they'd all return, and even if more did come back it wouldn't matter as he wouldn't use his Sith knowledge again anyway.
Originally posted by Pwned61
Again, no. Malak with the SF power still got tooled by Revan
Originally posted by Pwned61
Sidious is the most powerful Sith of all time, that you didn't even put him in the top 5 shows how lame your list is.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If disintegrating Sion's body was so easy, Exile could have done that with her Saber. The problem is that Sion's body remains joined due to the immense power of the Dark Side that he seems to utilize to do so. The only way to defeat Sion is to convince him to give up his life.
I never said it would be easy, Sion is certainly not your average dark side practioner, I simply mean that for someone like Luke, or any of those that fall into the top ten, it wouldn't be hard. What's more it seems that all it takes to break his morale is to defeat him enough in combat, in KOTOR he become disheartened just by his inability to defeat the Exile.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nihilus can eat anyone for breakfast unless someone is a Wound in the Force.
Perhaps, but the problem here is that his power comes completely from this one rather tricky technique that at the very least Luke would be able to counter (which is why he shouldn't be placed above him), sans his drain technique his raw power, while nothing to laugh about, still isn't on par with Luke or Sidious.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
His memories did returned after the events of KOTOR and he thus decided to contend with the issue of the True Sith by himself.
Where does it say that ALL his memories came back? I remember them saying that he was remembering some things, and that his memories prompted him to leave known space, but where do they indicate that it all came back.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The dumbest comment so far. Actually it is stated in the offical blog entry of Darth Malak in SW Blogs section, that his duel with Revan on Star Forge was of titanic proportions or an Epic one.
Yet, don't forget that in the end he was beaten, even when powered up, by Revan who while a powerful individual, doesn't stack up against Luke, Sidious, Kyp, Jacen, so Malak isn't even a blip on the radar. And a fight being Epic doesn't prove much of anything.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I agree that the list made by Apollo Cloud is joke. Siidous is the best.
well, that's a given.