Sith:
sidious
exar
ragnos
simus
sadow
kressh
sith lady that wiped out the life of all of ambria with one force attack
other strong ancients from the golden age
nihilus
freedon nadd
ulic
revan
traya
sion
bane
vader
tyranus
kasim
maul
malak
Ok, let's see: sidious? Of course. Kun? Alright. Ragnos? Discussible but still acceptable. Now, Simus? What the hell did Simus to deserve this place? What about kresh and shadow? Also, you put "strong" ancient siths over revan, who was showed quite stronger then 1 of the strongest ancient sith lords. By the way, kasim over MAUL or Malak? Hmm... By the way, what about mace windu, obi-wan or, more then that YODA? Or are you making a sith only list?
By the way, traya and sion stronger then Malak? Then where was them while conquered the galaxy? Also, sion stronger then vader, bane or tyranus?
I mostly disagree with this list.
Now, Simus? What the hell did Simus to deserve this place?
well theres the fact that he was the only ancient that had enough balls to ever challenge ragnos and survive the encounter, and the fact that after being decapitated, was able to keep himself alive solely through the power of the force as just a head (ergo <<<<<<<< midichlorian count)
What about kresh and shadow?
well, after ragnos, they were the next two most powerful of the ancients in the golden age of the sith (bare in mind a weaker sith sorceress was able to wipe the life out of an entire planet with a single attack), sadow himself possessing knowledge that turned future neo sith into gods, and having the ability to concentrate his power into a few sith chrystals and blowing up a star with force lightning, as well as later doing something similar by just clasping his hand (likely using his sith amulet), and kressh was pretty much his biggest rival
Also, you put "strong" ancient siths over revan, who was showed quite stronger then 1 of the strongest ancient sith lords.
how exactly?
By the way, kasim over MAUL or Malak? Hmm...
why not exactly? what we know about him: his exceptional saber mastery and experience, his incredible force defence, his insane reflexes, speed and stamina easily put him above malak, and firmly put him above maul
By the way, what about mace windu, obi-wan or, more then that YODA? Or are you making a sith only list?
yeah, i thought the "sith:" might have given you a hint...
By the way, traya and sion stronger then Malak? Then where was them while conquered the galaxy?
traya? either searching for clues as to why revan turned to the darkside or already turned herself and learning the sith ways at malachor
sion? still only an apprentice prior to learning at malachor aka the planet sized storehouse of darkside teachings
Also, sion stronger then vader, bane or tyranus?
the insane willpower, and hatred (which added together pretty much is the darkside) as well as the formidable saber skills as well as the experience gained killing jedi as well as the added advantage of being able to cheat death and hold his body together certainly suggests so
and survived...
anyways simus was known for his wisdom, it was why he still had sway over so many sith lords despite being a head in a jar, so clearly he must have been pretty close to ragman in power to feel that he may even be able to defeat him
plus we also know that he was sadows personal teacher, meaning that his knowledge of sith magic would have in the very least rivaled sadows own
Originally posted by Count Makashi
Out of all other posts, you chose mine to reply, my list is at least decent, some others are ridiculous and how are Mace and Vader over Dooku.
Which is why I chose to reply to yours. You should know better, and yes, some are so ridiculous that a reply isnt even warranted.
And Mace and Vader ARE over Dooku.
Exactly. And just because ABC arguments don't always work as far as outcomes of duels, power levels are pretty black an white. Vaapad is a huge advantage for Mace, and if he can take out the Sith Lord, he can most certainly take out his weaker apprentice.
And Vader, well he turned Dooku's experience and power into a "joke." Albeit he lost a lot of his potential overall, but he gained YEARS of dark side experience and tutelage from the most powerful Sith Lord in history, thusly giving him immense power.
Why does everyone call the exile a girl? how are you all determining that?
Secondly, why does everyone keep saying Sidious is the most powerful sith lord in history? Where are the sources for that? I thought that in the EU, Exar Kun and Markos Ragnos were more powerful/skilled?
On all of your lists: most of you have great reason's for your placements and it is hard to argue why you put them where they are. I have nothing to add that has not already been stated.
Why does everyone call the exile a girl? how are you all determining that?
Canon sources confirmed that the Exile is a girl, as did Leeland Chee.
Secondly, why does everyone keep saying Sidious is the most powerful sith lord in history?
Because he is.
Where are the sources for that?
tNEC: "Yoda was unable to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history [Palpatine]."
AotC Visual Guide: "The greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time..."
DESB: "He succeeded where all others failed in taming the Dark Side."
I thought that in the EU, Exar Kun and Markos Ragnos were more powerful/skilled?
Where are your sources? Ragnos has no feats to his name aside from cowering a bunch of Ancient Sith (which is uber, I'll grant you). Other than that, these were Sith who relied on technology to do anything special. Kun is pretty powerful, but is weaker than Sidious.
Originally posted by Gideon
Where are your sources? Ragnos has no feats to his name aside from cowering a bunch of Ancient Sith (which is uber, I'll grant you). Other than that, these were Sith who relied on technology to do anything special. Kun is pretty powerful, but is weaker than Sidious.
Ruling over the likes of Sadow and Kresh isn't that impressive and we don't know how powerful, the other Sith were.
Ruling over the likes of Sadow and Kresh isn't that impressive
Yes, it is, actually. Given how capable and powerful they were with technology. Ragnos is far from being a weak Sith, even with the minimal shit we have on him.
and we don't know how powerful, the other Sith were.
Yes we do. With the aid of technology, they were uber. On their own? Yeah, logic points to them being pretty much crap.
Originally posted by Gideon
Yes, it is, actually. Given how capable and powerful they were with technology. Ragnos is far from being a weak Sith, even with the minimal shit we have on him.Yes we do. With the aid of technology, they were uber. On their own? Yeah, logic points to them being pretty much crap.
But Ragnos had incredible technology too and he probably had more Massasi warriors and ships, because of him being The Sith Lord. And some Sith didn't even try or even think of overthrowing him, like Ludo Kresh. Maybe they were afraid to overthrow him, because he had superior numbers and because some Sith would help him, making it impossible, to defeat him, it could have nothing to do, with him being so powerful in the Force.
I do agree, that he was very powerful, just that i hate, when people say, Ragnos is teh uber, with nothing to back it up, because there is no material on him.
Where would you put him, on whose level
My list is going to have some major kinks in it; a really good list requires a lot of thought to take discrepencies and issues into consideration.
1. Luke Skywalker
2. Darth Sidious
3. Yoda
4. Exar Kun
5. Jacen Solo
6. Kyp Durron
7. Darth Vader
8. Darth Revan
9. Mace Windu
10. Count Dooku
No. 1: Ben Kenobi.
Reasoning: Jesus could only last 40 days in the desert. Old Ben lasted a good 25 years. Jesus could return from the dead, a feat Sidious couldn't even achieve, this Old Ben > Jesus and Jesus > Sidious*.
Ok. What do I win?
(*supposedly the most powerful Sith, although I've yet to see something that actually demonstrates these silly ideas of Uncle George)