A prophet like Moses

Started by mr.smiley5 pages

you could realy even refer to Moses and Jesus as the same person.When looking at the story of Moses in the context of myth you will find that essentialy the two are realy the same person.Moses is the lower self leading his people {his mind),into the promised land[or gnosis].It's actualy Joshua ben Nun who completes the journey.The name,Joshua ben nun can actualy be translated as 'Jesus son of the fish'.
When interpurting the bible as myth,it's easy to see how Moses doesn't make a refernce to the coming of Jesus,but is actualy acknowleding his own awareness and higher state of mind,or of gnosis.

I am confused muslimscholar. Firstly, Islamic theology claims viciously that the Bible was corrupted.

So how can something corrupted, predict anything remortlay accurate?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I am confused muslimscholar. Firstly, Islamic theology claims viciously that the Bible was corrupted.

So how can something corrupted, predict anything remortlay accurate?

He will probably tell you that there is still some truth left in the bible. Of course anything that supports Islam.

Originally posted by mr.smiley
you could realy even refer to Moses and Jesus as the same person.When looking at the story of Moses in the context of myth you will find that essentialy the two are realy the same person.Moses is the lower self leading his people {his mind),into the promised land[or gnosis].It's actualy Joshua ben Nun who completes the journey.The name,Joshua ben nun can actualy be translated as 'Jesus son of the fish'.
When interpurting the bible as myth,it's easy to see how Moses doesn't make a refernce to the coming of Jesus,but is actualy acknowleding his own awareness and higher state of mind,or of gnosis.

Jesus and Moses are not one and the same person. What is your evidence that the Bible is myth?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Jesus and Moses are not one and the same person. What is your evidence that the Bible is myth?
Oh my. Try the fact that it's been re-written nearly every year. Why would it be re-written if it's true?

Originally posted by lord xyz
Oh my. Try the fact that it's been re-written nearly every year. Why would it be re-written if it's true?

To help with understanding, as the KJV is damn hard to read.

Originally posted by Alfheim
He will probably tell you that there is still some truth left in the bible. Of course anything that supports Islam.
If Islam is true, such would be an accurate statement.

Originally posted by FeceMan
To help with understanding, as the KJV is damn hard to read.
Or rather, to correct errors such as bats being birds.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Or rather, to correct errors such as bats being birds.

Really? I didn't realize that there was a system of classification back in Ye Olde Bible Times.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Jesus and Moses are not one and the same person. What is your evidence that the Bible is myth?

Well we now know the story of Noahs flood was a mythological story predating its apperance in the bible.Jesus was based upon much older prophets.In studying mythology and early Christianity it's apparent that Moses,along with Joshua ben Nun were the stepping stones to what would become Jesus.

Originally posted by mr.smiley
Well we now know the story of Noahs flood was a mythological story predating its apperance in the bible.Jesus was based upon much older prophets.In studying mythology and early Christianity it's apparent that Moses,along with Joshua ben Nun were the stepping stones to what would become Jesus.

Jesus was based on prophesy.

Jesus was the Jewish version of older Pagan godmen.

True the church inserted him and intertwined the stories to bring in the masses. The church, also as we know, changed the pagan holy days to Christian Holidays. And making other holy days such as today Friday the 13th (today) a day of bad luck when actually it was a day of good luck. Such a campaign to rid the ancient peoples of their belief in sacred feminine symbolism has links to the day Friday. In Muslim culture, Friday is regarded as a holy day, while in pagan Norse mythology, Friday is the only day in the week which celebrates a goddess, namely Frigg.

Just like old times!

Yeppers!! 😄

Originally posted by mr.smiley
Well we now know the story of Noahs flood was a mythological story predating its apperance in the bible.Jesus was based upon much older prophets.In studying mythology and early Christianity it's apparent that Moses,along with Joshua ben Nun were the stepping stones to what would become Jesus.

Mythology is fiction and has nothing in common with the Bible. The Bible is non-fiction because the events recorded in it actually occurred or has yet to occur (although some events are metaphorical in their expression they nevertheless convey actual realities spiritually and/or physically). The record of the flood in the Book of Genesis is still true regardless if its appearance in the Bible is predated by mythological flood stories (although I believe the Bible flood occurred before all mythical floods including the the flood recorded in the The Gilgamesh Epic.

Ancient Black Sea coastline provides evidence of Noah's flood

"WASHINGTON — Scientists have discovered an ancient coastline 17 meters below the surface of the Black Sea, providing dramatic new evidence of a sudden, catastrophic flood around 7,500 years ago — the possible source of the Old Testament story of Noah."

--The Japan Times
November 19, 1999
The Washington Post
http://www.trussel.com/prehist/news165.htm

Startling evidence for Noah’s Flood
Footprints and sand ‘dunes’ in a Grand Canyon sandstone!
by Andrew A. Snelling and Steven A. Austin

Noah's Flood?

"We can thus imagine how the Flood would deposit the Coconino Sandstone (and its equivalents), which covers an area of 200,000 square miles (518,000 square kilometres) averages 315 feet (96 metres) thick, and contains a volume of sand conservatively estimated at 10,000 cubic miles (41,700 cubic kilometres). But where could such an enormous quantity of sand come from? Cross beds within the Coconino dip consistently toward the south, indicating that the sand came from the north. However, along its northern occurrence, the Coconino rests directly on the Hermit Formation, which consists of siltstone and shale and so would not have been an ample source of sand of the type now found in the Coconino Sandstone. Consequently, this enormous volume of sand would have to have been transported a considerable distance, perhaps at least 200 or 300 miles (320 or 480 kilometres). At the current velocities envisaged sand could be transported that distance in a matter of a few days!

Thus the evidence within the Coconino Sandstone does not support the evolutionary geologists interpretation of slow and gradual deposition of sand in a desert environment with dunes being climbed by wandering four-footed vertebrates. On the contrary, a careful examination of the evidence, backed up by experiments and observations of processes operating today indicates catastrophic deposition of the sand by deep fast-moving water in a matter of days, totally consistent with conditions envisaged during the Flood."

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v15/i1/flood.asp

Jesus is the Son of God (i.e. He is the Word made flesh, God in human form) and God is eternal. Since God is eternal that means that He preexists all. So Jesus is not based on anyone. However, there is a similarity between Jesus' Hebrew name "Yeshua" and Joshua's Hebrew name "Yehoshua." Also, there are comparisons that are made about Jesus and Joshua but they have “spiritual” import. For example, Joshua led the Israelites into the land of Canaan, a land flowing with milk and honey. Jesus (our Savior and conquering Hero) leads believers into the blessings of God, victory over death and Hell, and into Heaven.

So, no Moses and Joshua and not stepping stones to Jesus.

Is this why the flood story in Genisis isn't nearly as old as in other traditions.Are you also going to advance the argument the devil created these older stories to decive people?These arguements are nothing new.The bible is as much mythological as any early stories coming from rome or anywere else in the ancient world.

If I show you the nordic story of 'The Ring',you will obviously find parelles between it and Lord Of The Rings,and people would willingly accept this.However,apply this same approach to religon and everyone attributes it to the devil,or totaly denies it by putting blind faith into a system of beliefs.

Originally posted by mr.smiley
Is this why the flood story in Genisis isn't nearly as old as in other traditions.Are you also going to advance the argument the devil created these older stories to decive people?These arguements are nothing new.The bible is as much mythological as any early stories coming from rome or anywere else in the ancient world.

If I show you the nordic story of 'The Ring',you will obviously find parelles between it and Lord Of The Rings,and people would willingly accept this.However,apply this same approach to religon and everyone attributes it to the devil,or totaly denies it by putting blind faith into a system of beliefs.

Actually, the tradition is older than the Bible by necessity. How old, we do not know. Ultimately it only goes to show that a flood did indeed happen, this does not validate or invalidate any account of the flood.

I know their are several beliefs in different cultures of a great flood.I wouldn't say that realy means that a flood happend.For example,take the mythological creature,'the Dragon'.

Depections of dragons showed up all over the world in different cultures without a any insperation for any other peoples culture.Yet almost every culture belived they created the dragon.We know dragons didn't exist,so how could so many different cultures come up with the same idea of this mythological creature?Perhaps the dragon is somehow embeded into our psyche in a way we can't understand?Or maybe people just had the same idea.

Anyhow,when we look at the Old Testiments flood story it's pretty much indistiguishable from the Mesopotamian story of Utnapishtim.when this same story is put into a Jewish context we are given a reason why the Canaanites are bad.

Did a great flood happen?I don't known maybe,their's plenty of researches that go out trying to find proof of it.Most the time you here of some amazing finding they make.It's always front page news.However,once they discover their research was inaccurate,or just plain out wrong we never hear it unless we go looking for it.

In a nutshell i would say the story of a great flood,in any culture,is a moral story for man to be good or the gods,or god is going to get very pissed and get rid of all the bad people.Or it could have been nothing more than mans attempt to attach god to the causes of natural evil,as opposed to moral evil.

Oddly enough, the Book of Adam and Eve--while not canonical--supports the existence of dragons.