Beast versus Daredevil

Originally posted by Metalmanx
My previous post was not meant to be solely based on the powers, even though that's kinda how it came out. You know me better than that, jrod.

However, given his abilities, his long experience and intelligence (both academic and tactical), and his skill, I feel that Beast has the necessary advantages over DD to defeat him.

Also, I don't believe that DD has superior reflexes, even with his radar sense. Beast has shown amazingly superhuman reflexes even from his very beginning on the X-Men. At the most (or least, depending on how you look at it), their reflexes are roughly equal.

Yea, yall have to excuse me. It just seemed like everyone was saying that because Beast has better attributes, he wins.

Technically, if one were to think about it, thats how things should be, but as we all know in comics thats not the case. Some characters are beter fighters or tacticians in battle.

As far as reflexes go, naturally i do agree that Beast has better reflexes. However, i say DD's reflexes are better only due to the senses. Daredevil would be faster to react to something than Beast because hed be aware of it before Beast would. Thus, his reflexes would seem better. Like if a bomb was about to explode in 1 sec, Daredevil would already be making moves to get out and Beast would be there wondering why DD is leaving. I just say DD's reflexes are better only due to faster warning of things. Without the early warning, i do agree that Beasts reflexes are somewhat faster.

DD wins. The guys skill gap defeats Beast stats advantage imo.

Originally posted by Brutacus
Euh you compare beast with mister Hyde 😂 😂 😂 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 .

Dude beast is not a real powerhouse sure he is far more stronger than DD. Still he is also as agile iff not more agile than DD.
He sure is faster than DD, has more stamina, he's more durable.
DD has more skills sure, he has better sense's, but beast night vision and smell and hearing ain't bad, sneaking up on beast is very hard.
And using skills against a all out feral beast might not work he sure won't have enough time to use pressure points on him, he might see the weak spots, but iff beast was all jumping around and striking at DD with his claws iff he hits one time not sure iff DD will still be focused iff he would lose a lot of blood, because a strike from beast with his claws will cause a lot of blood lose.
Throwing the billy club hmm beast might be able to catch it, he managed to catch cap's shield.

My post was really in response to somebody who said that Beast's fur would give him protection. The point was that Beats durability is not a factor.

As for everything else Beast doesnt seem to have the skills to keep up with DD.

Beast may have caught Caps shield in the past but the last time he fought Cap he got his ass handed to him. I dont think DD is that far behind Cap in skills. Beast didnt even lay a finger on Cap from what I remember I see DD vs Beast being similar.

Originally posted by Alfheim
My post was really in response to somebody who said that Beast's fur would give him protection. The point was that Beats durability is not a factor.

As for everything else Beast doesnt seem to have the skills to keep up with DD.

Beast may have caught Caps shield in the past but the last time he fought Cap he got his ass handed to him. I dont think DD is that far behind Cap in skills. Beast didnt even lay a finger on Cap from what I remember I see DD vs Beast being similar.

Last beast fight against cap was the blue ape like beast without his feral side without the use of his claws and teeths.
Now I won't say he will beat cap, but he has a better chance this way than he had before.
And I don't understand why people compair cap with DD, because he got great skill???
Caps Stamina is like 100 time's better than DD.
Heck iff you use cap I will use Kraven a guy that got almost killed by beast
Kraven a guy that also used a serum that made him peak or beyond peak human ability's since some say he could lift 2 tons, got almost killed and kraven also used venom nerve strike's on beast, but guess what the other X-men came just in time to hold of beast, because that's the first time beast went in some feral rage.
And that was the human looking beast, he almost killed kraven in that rage.

This beast is way more powerful, since his sense's are also better, he's suppose to be stronger, faster.
This beast is like a real animal wenn he fights, and use pressure points on a guy that move's faster than you that's like a lucky shot.

The feral beast won't stand around talking like a big ape with a high IQ.
This beast will fight like he's going after a prey.

Originally posted by Brutacus
Last beast fight against cap was the blue ape like beast without his feral side without the use of his claws and teeths.

Like that would have made a difference

Originally posted by Brutacus

Now I won't say he will beat cap, but he has a better chance this way than he had before.

No it will be business as usual.

Originally posted by Brutacus

And I don't understand why people compair cap with DD, because he got great skill???

DD isnt far behind, he does seem to be better at pressure points than Cap.

Originally posted by Brutacus

Caps Stamina is like 100 time's better than DD.

The fight wont last that long.

Originally posted by Brutacus

Heck iff you use cap I will use Kraven a guy that got almost killed by beast
Kraven a guy that also used a serum that made him peak or beyond peak human ability's since some say he could lift 2 tons, got almost killed and kraven also used venom nerve strike's on beast, but guess what the other X-men came just in time to hold of beast, because that's the first time beast went in some feral rage.
And that was the human looking beast, he almost killed kraven in that rage.

Dont know much about Kraven but cant have been that good at MA, and even if he goes feral that would probably be better for DD. DD has survived a pissed off Spiderman.

Originally posted by Brutacus

This beast is way more powerful,

That wont do **** at all.

Originally posted by Brutacus

since his sense's are also better,

Is that really gonna make that much difference?

Originally posted by Brutacus

he's suppose to be stronger,

Yeah and DD beats stronger people for breakfast.

Originally posted by Brutacus

faster.

I hope you can provide proof for this? As far as I can tell he is stronger but not faster and if hes not faster hes gonna get pawned.

Originally posted by Brutacus

This beast is like a real animal wenn he fights, and use pressure points on a guy that move's faster than you that's like a lucky shot.

The feral beast won't stand around talking like a big ape with a high IQ.
This beast will fight like he's going after a prey.

If the Beast goes nuts that will probably make it worse for himself. It will just leave him open for more shots from DD.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Like that would have made a difference

No it will be business as usual.

DD isnt far behind, he does seem to be better at pressure points than Cap.

The fight wont last that long.

Dont know much about Kraven but cant have been that good at MA, and even if he goes feral that would probably be better for DD. DD has survived a pissed off Spiderman.

That wont do **** at all.

Is that really gonna make that much difference?

Yeah and DD beats stronger people for breakfast.

I hope you can provide proof for this? As far as I can tell he is stronger but not faster and if hes not faster hes gonna get pawned.

If the Beast goes nuts that will probably make it worse for himself. It will just leave him open for more shots from DD.

Ok I'm done debating with you man, first you should know the beast character, he can run on his four legs at 40 mph,
Provide the proof every idiot knows he can run that fast.
He has the body of a big cat these day's try read up on the x-men.

He has SUPERHUMAN agility, so against the Peak or enhanced from DD, so guess what that means.
Stop with the idiotic pressure points, it's like you use it like the perfect weapon or something while a real nerve strike would require aim precision, now against a guy that move's faster than you.
You won't be able to do that.
And since he doesn't have the body of a HUMAN it wouldn't work like that Kraven did the same in the fight did it stun him yes a bit, but it required a elbow punch from Kraven (strenght 2 ton) to feel it, and like I stated before that was the form that looked the most like a human so the human beast.
That is like 3 mutations ago.
Second Beast is a doctor so he should know his share of pressure points himself.
One hit with beast claws in DD's face and it's lights out.
Iff you check the danger fight, she put her metal finger in his eye.
Did that stop him no he kept going, so don't start with other weak points bullshit, you come up with.

Originally posted by Brutacus
Ok I'm done debating with you man, first you should know the beast character, he can run on his four legs at 40 mph,
Provide the proof every idiot knows he can run that fast.
He has the body of a big cat these day's try read up on the x-men.

He has SUPERHUMAN agility, so against the Peak or enhanced from DD, so guess what that means.
Stop with the idiotic pressure points, it's like you use it like the perfect weapon or something while a real nerve strike would require aim precision, now against a guy that move's faster than you.
You won't be able to do that.
And since he doesn't have the body of a HUMAN it wouldn't work like that Kraven did the same in the fight did it stun him yes a bit, but it required a elbow punch from Kraven (strenght 2 ton) to feel it, and like I stated before that was the form that looked the most like a human so the human beast.
That is like 3 mutations ago.
Second Beast is a doctor so he should know his share of pressure points himself.
One hit with beast claws in DD's face and it's lights out.
Iff you check the danger fight, she put her metal finger in his eye.
Did that stop him no he kept going, so don't start with other weak points bullshit, you come up with.

Sort yourself out. I and others can easily refute what you have posted, but since you wanna be a jerk about it **** off.

I dont even know what you're problem is you've had it in for me since Luke Cage vs Wonder Man.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Sort yourself out. I and others can easily refute what you have posted, but since you wanna be a jerk about it **** off.

Sort myself lol and that come's from a guy that thinks that cap with pressure points can hit or do the same damage as a 100 tonner???

Why you allway's have to talk about you and the others, what others you did the same with the cap punching as hard as a 100 tonner, you also said you and the others, what others??????
You can refute, dude the kraven vs beast fight happend so it's proof fact, danger poking beast eye out is a fact.
So you say because DD has skills like cap he can win, so I guess DD can stand up to the like's of hulk?
Iff you compare DD with Cap than I will compare him with Kraven.

You just piss me of with your pressure points, you throw it in every single topic.
You even know a little about pressure points???
Because to me you make it sound like you don't.

Originally posted by Brutacus
Sort myself lol and that come's from a guy that thinks that cap with pressure points can hit or do the same damage as a 100 tonner???

Serioulsy you're acting a bit unstable I already explained that to you and in the end you started to agree with me.

Originally posted by Brutacus
Ok maybe I was abite to fast by saying he wouldn't hurt them, since your right we are debating comics, so I guess it's possible since you also provided with enough scans I can't ignore.

Serioulsy for some reason you just hate me.

Originally posted by Brutacus

So you say because DD has skills like cap he can win, so I guess DD can stand up to the like's of hulk?

Er did you know that the in the DD vs Hulk thread DD was given a 100 ton strength?

Originally posted by Brutacus

You can refute, dude the kraven vs beast fight happend so it's proof fact, danger poking beast eye out is a fact

So thats just one fight. Besides Kraven isnt even know for his mA skills. Thats why people like Cap can kick Beasts butt they may not be really strong but they are far more skillful.

I dunno man his bio says he is a master of MA skills but ive never really considerd him to be that good. If you give me more examples of Beast beating really skilled guys then i'll change my mind.

As far as I know Kraven isnt as skilled in H2H as DD or Cap.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Serioulsy you're acting a bit unstable I already explained that to you and in the end you started to agree with me.

Serioulsy for some reason you just hate me.

I agreed that pressure points will do more damage than a normal punch.
Never said it does the same amount of damage that a 100 tonner would do, because that's not logical.
For example the nose or chin are also weak spot in the human body, and a 100 tonner while hitting the face has a good chance to hit one of those points, so it wouldn't matter much iff a good h2h fighter would hit some nerve in the upper arm.
The damage to the face would be much worse than the nerve strike.

Second I don't hate you, but it just looks like you ignore the fact that DD has to come in close to a character that has longer arms, so better reach combined with the claws that could deal great damage, and the fact is also that beast is faster and more agile or do to dd sense atleast at the same agile level.

Originally posted by Brutacus
I agreed that pressure points will do more damage than a normal punch.
Never said it does the same amount of damage that a 100 tonner would do, because that's not logical.

Yeah well we already had that converasation why are you bringing up **** we already discussed like it never happened.

Originally posted by Brutacus

For example the nose or chin are also weak spot in the human body, and a 100 tonner while hitting the face has a good chance to hit one of those points, so it wouldn't matter much iff a good h2h fighter would hit some nerve in the upper arm.
The damage to the face would be much worse than the nerve strike.

Why are we having this conversation didnt I already explain this to you.

Originally posted by Brutacus

Second I don't hate you, but it just looks like you ignore the fact that DD has to come in close to a character that has longer arms, so better reach combined with the claws that could deal great damage, and the fact is also that beast is faster and more agile or do to dd sense atleast at the same agile level.

Could have fooled me. The fact of the matter is this I dont know of any showings were The beast has beaten really skilled heroes. I dont see why I cant compare DD to Cap..what are you saying that Cap is light years in front of DD, alot of people would agree that Cap is better but not by a huge a amount.

How is he faster? I know Beast has had an upgrade but nothing indicates he is any faster than his ape form.

Furthermore how do you think is more dangerous pissed off Spiderman or The Beast? Spiderman is defintely faster and DD has beaten (I need to verify this) or at laest survived a pissed off Spiderman

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah well we already had that converasation why are you bringing up **** we already discussed like it never happened.

Why are we having this conversation didnt I already explain this to you.

Could have fooled me. The fact of the matter is this I dont know of any showings were The beast has beaten really skilled heroes. I dont see why I cant compare DD to Cap..what are you saying that Cap is light years in front of DD, alot of people would agree that Cap is better but not by a huge a amount.

How is he faster? I know Beast has had an upgrade but nothing indicates he is any faster than his ape form.

Furthermore how do you think is more dangerous pissed off Spiderman or The Beast? Spiderman is defintely faster and DD has beaten (I need to verify this) or at laest survived a pissed off Spiderman

Spiderman is more dangerous sure, he's a bit above beast with his agility, speed, stamina, reaction.
He will beat beast, since he can keep away from the claws and the teeths
But beast with his claws his massive arms and his strenght, so to say DD will just use pressure points on beast, is like a little strange to me, beast has bigger arms than spiderman, so to reach a weak spot on beast would be harder and iff he would get close beast could just bite DD.
It might sound strange and all, but iff a character looks like someone or has better skill doesn't mean he would win in the same way.
I mean doesn't cap has a better showing against spiderman than let's say wolverine (this might piss off some people 🙂), but wolverine can hold his own and win against cap.
Now beast aint no mayor character in the comics, and it's very hard to find those fights.

Still beast should have just as much experience fighting mayor characters than DD he even been in to space fought the shi'ar guards, he got a lot of experience from fighting with diffrent teams and got also a lot of training from cap (than again what guy didn't recieve training from cap.)

Originally posted by Brutacus
Spiderman is more dangerous sure, he's a bit above beast with his agility, speed, stamina, reaction.

Well there you go.

Originally posted by Brutacus

He will beat beast, since he can keep away from the claws and the teeths
But beast with his claws his massive arms and his strenght,

I dont see how thats gonna make that much difference there still seems to be no proof that Beast is any faster in his upgrade. There could be one way to prove it though I think.

Originally posted by Brutacus

so to say DD will just use pressure points on beast, is like a little strange to me,

Well he can do it, but its going to be harder than doing it to Mr Hyde

Originally posted by Brutacus

beast has bigger arms than spiderman, so to reach a weak spot on beast would be harder and iff he would get close beast could just bite DD.

You know DD can pressur points arms as well. It could be argued that since his arms are bigger it will be easier.

Originally posted by Brutacus

It might sound strange and all, but iff a character looks like someone or has better skill doesn't mean he would win in the same way.
I mean doesn't cap has a better showing against spiderman than let's say wolverine (this might piss off some people 🙂), but wolverine can hold his own and win against cap.
Now beast aint no mayor character in the comics, and it's very hard to find those fights.

Thats true but Wolverine has some good shwoings against Spiderman actually, so in that repect my example still applies.

Originally posted by Brutacus

Still beast should have just as much experience fighting mayor characters than DD he even been in to space fought the shi'ar guards, he got a lot of experience from fighting with diffrent teams and got also a lot of training from cap (than again what guy didn't recieve training from cap.)

Yeah but not in pure MA fighting.

He doesn't need MA with his type of body claws teeth, strenght, stamina, speed, agility.
He just needs to fight like a big cat and that is just what he will do.
the arms wouldn't do much kraven used a pressure point on the arms allready.

Originally posted by Brutacus
He doesn't need MA with his type of body claws teeth, strenght, stamina, speed, agility.

Yes he does thats why Cap has good showings agsint Spiderman. Spiderman maybe stronger and faster but Cap is much more skillful than him.

Originally posted by Brutacus

He just needs to fight like a big cat and that is just what he will do.

Yeah and if he does that, thats going to make it worse. You said that The Beast is slower than Spiderman, if the Beast gets pissed DD will do to him what he did to Spiderman.

The Beast may have big arms but DD is compensated by the fact that the Beast is slower than Spiderman.

Originally posted by Brutacus

the arms wouldn't do much kraven used a pressure point on the arms allready.

Well yeah is Kraven as skilled as DD? DD has used pressure points on Mr Hyde who is alot more durable than The Beast, so DD's strikes will work on The Beast.

Like mentioned before, when it comes to fighting people with some skill, Beast doest fare to well. Going feral only makes his beating worse imo.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Like mentioned before, when it comes to fighting people with some skill, Beast doest fare to well. Going feral only makes his beating worse imo.

There you go.

Originally posted by Alfheim
There you go.

Use skill against a guy that is in some sort of rage.
In this rage he clearly doesn't show pain,(eye poke, from danger).
Meaning animal rage (fighting on instinct heck that's the way animals survive) vs skill would work great for a guy with the ability's beast has.

Also people believe here that Batman can beat DD but will lose against beast than how will DD be able to beat beast???

Originally posted by Brutacus
His opinion, doesn't mean squat to me.
Use skill against a guy that is in some sort of rage.
In this rage he clearly doesn't show pain,(eye poke, from danger).
Meaning animal rage (fighting on instinct heck that's the way animals survive) vs skill would work great for a guy with the ability's beast has.

Daredevil has used skills as well as smarts against someone in a rage. Sabertooth, Spiderman and Hyde are some examples.

And DD has fought Kraven before.