Beast versus Daredevil

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Haha, I'm not trying to make it sound so easy really. It's just that, well, it should be, considering their skills and abilities.

Yes, I know that DD can, well, "educatedly-guess" as to what Beast will do. But at the same time, Beast is fast enough along with his faster reflexes to pretty much counter or grab DD without much trouble. I mena, this is the same guy that's snagged missiles out of the air with his feet. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility to catch DD's arm/hand. Would you disagree?

I dont hin think it should be that easy for Beast at all. By their skills and abilities, Daredevils' senses > Beast's abilities.

C'mon Metal. How can you say that Daredevil would make an educated guess. Its more like a mind-reading in its clarity. The person may as well say "Ok, Daredevil. Im about to throw a punch now!" Hed know Beasts moves by listening to the body muscles alone. Hes anticipated punches as well as leaps. I do agree that its not outside the realm of possibility, but then againin comics, nothing is. Its just not likely here.😬

Beast mutilates Daredevil, literally ✅

Originally posted by jrodslam
I dont hin think it should be that easy for Beast at all. By their skills and abilities, Daredevils' senses > Beast's abilities.

C'mon Metal. How can you say that Daredevil would make an educated guess. Its more like a mind-reading in its clarity. The person may as well say "Ok, Daredevil. Im about to throw a punch now!" Hed know Beasts moves by listening to the body muscles alone. Hes anticipated punches as well as leaps. I do agree that its not outside the realm of possibility, but then againin comics, nothing is. Its just not likely here.😬

My apologies. "Educated guess" wasn't meant to be bad, merely another way of saying "predicting". But I do understand what you're saying. I just want you to understand what I'm saying, too, Jrod.

DD throws a punch, even IF Beast doesn't react in time to counter/block it, he'd still be able to react PLENTY fast enough to catch DD's arm/hand and proceed to break him from the arm up/down. Do you see what I'm saying? I know I'm pretty bad at articulating my thoughts at times.

How impressive is DD's radar in terms of dodging?

I'm kinda thinking of the fight he had with Punisher where they were pretty much trading blows...DD wasn't dodging much of anything.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
My apologies. "Educated guess" wasn't meant to be bad, merely another way of saying "predicting". But I do understand what you're saying. I just want you to understand what I'm saying, too, Jrod.

DD throws a punch, even IF Beast doesn't react in time to counter/block it, he'd still be able to react PLENTY fast enough to catch DD's arm/hand and proceed to break him from the arm up/down. Do you see what I'm saying? I know I'm pretty bad at articulating my thoughts at times.

I get you Metal. Given each of their abilities, Beast SHOULD be able to beat Matt for a clear majority. DD is simply outclassed in everything save for fighting skills.

Beast should be able to grab DD after a block or dodge. He sure has the speed and agility to make it happen. Theres no doubt that if DD was grabbed and immediately(i say that cause hes been grabed and got out of it) punished, then its a done deal for Matt. That muchis clear.

However DD if using his full abilities, should be able to see each move Beasts does before he actually completes it. Unless its a surprise counter of sorts. Matt should technically always be a step and a half ahead of Beast. Just like Kingpin/Wolvie he has to be sure he isnt grabbed or sliced.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I get you Metal. Given each of their abilities, Beast SHOULD be able to beat Matt for a clear majority. DD is simply outclassed in everything save for fighting skills.

Beast should be able to grab DD after a block or dodge. He sure has the speed and agility to make it happen. Theres no doubt that if DD was grabbed and immediately(i say that cause hes been grabed and got out of it) punished, then its a done deal for Matt. That muchis clear.

However DD if using his full abilities, should be able to see each move Beasts does before he actually completes it. Unless its a surprise counter of sorts. Matt should technically always be a step and a half ahead of Beast. Just like Kingpin/Wolvie he has to be sure he isnt grabbed or sliced.

It's funny, cuz we're on the same page here, but we're reading two different paragraphs. 😛

If DD then sees each move that Beast will do, will he even attack him in the first place? It seems like, according to what you're saying, it would have to be a standstill. Because, regardless if Matt knows what Beast is going to do a split-second before Beast does it, if he still tries and attacks Beast, Hank can still move fast enough to counter and end DD.

But yea. For the most part, we're in agreement. 👆

Beast wins for the majority.

Originally posted by masterbruce
How impressive is DD's radar in terms of dodging?

The radar helps him in regards to sneak attacks or from behind mainly. His boxing, martial arts and hearing are what helps him the most for dodging.

Originally posted by masterbruce
I'm kinda thinking of the fight he had with Punisher where they were pretty much trading blows...DD wasn't dodging much of anything.

Yea, Daredevil usually dumbs down his skills for Frank. Hes used his senses at times to predict Puns movements, but i usually slugs it out for the most part. sometimes hed throw in a kick or sweep.

When DD fights Spiderman or another hero vastly superior than him, he tends to use his radar/senses moreso and actualy skills secondary. That shows much more cleary than if he were to fight someone like Iron Fist, Punisher, Kingpin, Captain America, or Bullseye(if going h2h), whereas the skills are shown foremost and the radar/senses are secondary.

At least thats how i take it.😬

Originally posted by jrodslam

At least thats how i take it.😬

fair enough, I accept that explanation. It wouldn't be the first time a comic book character was vastly dumbed down to match against another opponent.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
It's funny, cuz we're on the same page here, but we're reading two different paragraphs. 😛

If DD then sees each move that Beast will do, will he even attack him in the first place? It seems like, according to what you're saying, it would have to be a standstill. Because, regardless if Matt knows what Beast is going to do a split-second before Beast does it, if he still tries and attacks Beast, Hank can still move fast enough to counter and end DD.

But yea. For the most part, we're in agreement. 👆

Beast wins for the majority.

Lol. Not really.

If DD knows what Beast is going to do, say leap towards him for example, Daredevil can just counter him while in mid leap and try to put him down. I dont think Beast would be able to counter as fast right after being countered himself. I think hed be to surprised that Daredevil countered his ass. Just like Spidey, Kraven(although not as fast or agile). His speed has been mentioned by those i just named as well as Namor and Thor among others.

I bet DD would get off more counters than Beast ever will. Thats IF Beast can get off a counter.

And DD still takes the majority, Metal.✅

What Beast needs are some fights with some street lvl characters. Or anyone with some skill for that matter. We dont have much to base him getting a victory off of.🙁

Originally posted by jrodslam
Lol. Not really.

If DD knows what Beast is going to do, say leap towards him for example, Daredevil can just counter him while in mid leap and try to put him down. I dont think Beast would be able to counter as fast right after being countered himself. I think hed be to surprised that Daredevil countered his ass. Just like Spidey, Kraven(although not as fast or agile). His speed has been mentioned by those i just named as well as Namor and Thor among others.

I bet DD would get off more counters than Beast ever will. Thats IF Beast can get off a counter.

And DD still takes the majority, Metal.✅

Well, seems this is going nowhere. 😛

Agree to disagree?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Lol. Not really.

If DD knows what Beast is going to do, say leap towards him for example, Daredevil can just counter him while in mid leap and try to put him down. I dont think Beast would be able to counter as fast right after being countered himself. I think hed be to surprised that Daredevil countered his ass. Just like Spidey, Kraven(although not as fast or agile). His speed has been mentioned by those i just named as well as Namor and Thor among others.

I bet DD would get off more counters than Beast ever will. Thats IF Beast can get off a counter.

And DD still takes the majority, Metal.✅

Why is Daredevil fast enough to counter Beast but Beast isn't fast enough to counter Daredevil? 😕

Beast is physically superior to DD in every and is mentally superior as well ✅

IMO Beast wins 7 or 8/10 (Although it pains me to say it as both DD and Beast are favourite characters of mine)

Originally posted by willRules
Why is Daredevil fast enough to counter Beast but Beast isn't fast enough to counter Daredevil? 😕

Beast is physically superior to DD in every and is mentally superior as well ✅

IMO Beast wins 7 or 8/10 (Although it pains me to say it as both DD and Beast are favourite characters of mine)

No no. I didnt say Beast wasnt fast enough to counter Daredevil. I said he wouldnt be fast enough to counter Daredevil right after being contered himself.

Beasts physical stats dont help him much here. Its nothing Matt hasnt faced before. Beast on the other hand havent faced someone like DD before. At least not to my knowledge. Although whenBeast did face DD, he got ktfo. Also, DD's fighting smarts are superior to Beasts imo. I say that because of the countless opponents DD has faced at the spur of the moment who were superior to him, but yet thought of a way to come out on top. Beasts books smarts wont help him much against DD.

Originally posted by jrodslam
What Beast needs are some fights with some street lvl characters. Or anyone with some skill for that matter. We dont have much to base him getting a victory off of.🙁

Well I guess that won't really happen I think, he's not the x-men's fighter, so even thow he has the stats of being superhuman in every physical way, atleast superhuman to normal humans, he's still the smart doctor of the group, but well he seems to start and show some kind of animal or dark side.
Can't seem to hold his temper very good, starts to turn feral or angry very fast in the astonishing X-men.

Going by his own training in x-men and avengers, and he keeps his training up in the danger room (atleast that's what they keep saying in the comic's).
He should be able to beat him, beast stats are all superhuman, while DD can't be more than peak maybe slight enhanced thanks to his sense's.

But untill beast starts to get some good showings again, I can't really proof much, heck he changed almost every diffrent serie in comics, wenn he first started to turn in to a real beast thanks to the potion he took he has been seen healing from gun fire in less than seconds, than he some how without any type of reason he lost it.
In X-Factor at the end of the comic he was going toe to toe against a 50 tonner with steel hard skin he Knocked her out cold in two blows while taking blows aswell (they wanted to make him a 70 tonner than).

Later wenn he joined the X-men again he was a lvl 2 maybe tops 10.

Now with this mutation they say he's even stronger than before, I mean does it sound like every writter make's his own powers for the beast or does he have some kind of unstable mutation?

Although whenBeast did face DD, he got ktfo.

Yup. DD used the environment as the shadows since he can see easily in the night and probably Beast can't. If Beast can see good in the night then its even worser for Beast. Which matches Cap defeating Beast as well.

Point is Beast has struggled with martial art fighters and to my knowledge never has done to well against the two that he fought. On the other hand Daredevil has done great against superhumans like Tombstone, Beast, Nuke, Kingpin, the list goes on and on.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yup. DD used the environment as the shadows since he can see easily in the night and probably Beast can't. If Beast can see good in the night then its even worser for Beast. Which matches Cap defeating Beast as well.

Point is Beast has struggled with martial art fighters and to my knowledge never has done to well against the two that he fought. On the other hand Daredevil has done great against superhumans like Tombstone, Beast, Nuke, Kingpin, the list goes on and on.

Beast current cat form make's able to see in the night like a cat, he has some form of night vision, and his smell and hearing must be better aswell.