Originally posted by bean_machine
As of yet there is nothing she can do to Surfer and Surfer can do so much to her. He has transmutation powers and FTL speeds and mutant gene turn off powers just to mention a few, nothing Storm has been shown to be immune to.
We'll SEE what she does to Surfer. 😎
Storm's a warrior.
Originally posted by yestinchong
Woah, i've been away for a couple of days and the posts to this thread have exploded....I just read through it all and am aware that 2damn did kindly answer my message....although my response to the majority of it would be the same - that he and Rutog are applying certain feats to Storm's powerset and ignoring others. They will then claim i am doing the same and the thread will continue...
So i just want to get two things clarified.
1. It's NOT obtuseness to say that i don't believe at all that Storm redirected all of Sienna Blaze's blast (just HOW powerful her blast is is still debatable IMO).
Read the scan you put up yourself. Where does it say that Storm channelled ALL the energy upwards? Because in all the posts you have made about this feat, you consistently say she did this all alone. If you are going to be picky and want us to only believe what is written on panel and not inferred (for example, the whole Galacitc Core thing), then show me where it says that she directs ALL that energy up. Because it DOESN'T. Don't call me on being obtuse for pointing this fact: if you do, then i will call YOU up as being obtuse for making sure we are only believing what is said in other issue (again, i refer to that old UXM where you questioned Swanky's ideas).
The issue shows that Sienna was knocked into a glacier, her blast was directed upwards by Storm, and Cyclops protected them from excess energy. Guess what? Excess energy is undefined in this panel. It could be anything from nearly all of the blast to none of it. I'm not being obtuse by saying we don't know just how much it is. It's a fact. But if you "believe" that Storm directed ALL of it, i am just as right to "believe" that in actual fact, Cyclops did 99% of the work.
2. Who's the better leader then? Cyclops or Storm? Once again, by your logic, it has to be Cyclops (which i think is the case anyway).
I'm ignoring these logical fallacy-ridden post that argue semantics.
It's always that way when it comes to Storm doing something that's beyond the box.
I wanna see the spin you all put on the Surfer match 😱 😆
Directing the young woman's power upward, directing the young woman's power upward, directing the young woman's power upward
Etc etc.
It will be like another Galactic Core and Skysraper. 😆
You still fail to understand that you are flawed with the same problem that you are accusing me and nearly everyone else of. Or maybe you do understand it but don't know what else to say?
If you want to dismiss my specific answer about Sienna Blaze, by all means do, but then i have every right to say that feat with the Galactic Core was a pile of Galactic crap. And you can't question it.
But if you do question why i said that, then accept that it is perfectly reasonable of me to question how much of Sienna Blaze's blast was negated by Storm and Storm alone. As i said, all your previous posts say she did all the work. In a forum where you are constantly picking out what other people say (see, it happens to everyone), of course i'm gonna pick you up on an error like this. My post is indicative that she does not do all the work - hence your bold statements that she did are wrong.
And again. Who's the better leader out of O and Scott? If you've debated Storm/Surfer here, then we can do this too.
The issue shows that Sienna was knocked into a glacier, her blast was directed upwards by Storm, and Cyclops protected them from excess energy. Guess what? Excess energy is undefined in this panel. It could be anything from nearly all of the blast to none of it. I'm not being obtuse by saying we don't know just how much it is. It's a fact. But if you "believe" that Storm directed ALL of it, i am just as right to "believe" that in actual fact, Cyclops did 99% of the work.
This is desperate beyond belief. The glacier was nothing to Sienna. Did you read her response to the glacier thing? Cyclop's blasts were stated to be strong enough to level mountains in that issue. Sienna has the power to split the Earth like a ripe melon and her power was compared to the Phoenix's. His power is nothing compared to hers. Sienna Blze can casually throw blasts that can do things like sink half of Scotlane Mainland. Xavier telepathically forced her to expend all of her energies which burned her out. Storm redirected the energies while Cyclops just got what was left over. Storm is the one who did the brunt of the work and the resources she has to draw on puts Scott's to shame. This is desperation at its best.
Originally posted by Rutog98
This is desperate beyond belief. The glacier was nothing to Sienna. Did you read her response to the glacier thing? Cyclop's blasts were stated to be strong enough to level mountains in that issue. Sienna has the power to split the Earth like a ripe melon and her power was compared to the Phoenix's. His power is nothing compared to hers. Sienna Blze can casually throw blasts that can do things like sink half of Scotlane Mainland. Xavier telepathically forced her to expend all of her energies which burned her out. Storm redirected the energies while Cyclops just got what was left over. Storm is the one who did the brunt of the work and the resources she has to draw on puts Scott's to shame. This is desperation at its best.
Its SOOOOO STUPID.
They try to make the "excess energy" like HALF the ENERGY maybe. Or infer that it made difference, therefore STORM'S electrical vortex is not that powerful.
It's completely STUPID and desperate. 😘
Originally posted by Rutog98
This is desperate beyond belief. The glacier was nothing to Sienna. Did you read her response to the glacier thing? Cyclop's blasts were stated to be strong enough to level mountains in that issue. Sienna has the power to split the Earth like a ripe melon and her power was compared to the Phoenix's. His power is nothing compared to hers. Sienna Blze can casually throw blasts that can do things like sink half of Scotlane Mainland. Xavier telepathically forced her to expend all of her energies which burned her out. Storm redirected the energies while Cyclops just got what was left over. Storm is the one who did the brunt of the work and the resources she has to draw on puts Scott's to shame. This is desperation at its best.
Well PF greater than Storm and Sienna. You cannot prove otherwise. Feats matter on this board and don't make me start a feat posting was between PF and Storm, cause Storm is not winning. I don't know why you keep bringing up that Storm is comparable to PF. There is no was Sienna is comparable to PF.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
PERFECT POST.Its SOOOOO STUPID.
They try to make the "excess energy" like HALF the ENERGY maybe. Or infer that it made difference, therefore STORM'S electrical vortex is not that powerful.
It's completely STUPID and desperate. 😘
Not as stupid as saying Storm holds back and that is only why she is not PF level, without any concrete proof to back it up. Speculation is not enough (Stated in the Storm vs Exodus thread, don't make me bring the quote up again.)
"Excess" is what's LEFTOVER after the MAIN portion is gone.
It's arguing semantics and obtuseness with regard to SIMPLE contexualization.
It's like Johnny ans the building with the word "an", or Galactic core with the "full power". I'm sure any other feat that puts Storm out of the ballpark will be heavily, UNINTELLIGENTLY scrutinized.
Originally posted by bean_machine
Not as stupid as saying Storm holds back and that is only why she is not PF level, without any concrete proof to back it up. Speculation is not enough (Stated in the Storm vs Exodus thread, don't make me bring the quote up again.)
Storm will evolve to be a Phoenix level character, she could be greater.
IMO, she's not there YET as stated by her in X-treme issue 5
No one outside of Cosmics and Heralds can do what she can do even in her unevolved State.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
"Excess" is what's LEFTOVER after the MAIN portion is gone.It's arguing semantics and obtuseness with regard to SIMPLE contexualization.
It's like Johnny ans the building with the word "an", or Galactic core with the "full power". I'm sure any other feat that puts Storm out of the ballpark will be heavily, UNINTELLIGENTLY scrutinized.
Quit whining that nobody agrees with your misconstrued interpretations.
1. the fact of exceeding something else in amount or degree: His strength is in excess of yours.
2. the amount or degree by which one thing exceeds another: The bill showed an excess of several hundred dollars over the estimate.
3. an extreme or excessive amount or degree; superabundance: to have an excess of energy.
4. a going beyond what is regarded as customary or proper: to talk to excess.
5. immoderate indulgence; intemperance in eating, drinking, etc.
–adjective 6. more than or above what is necessary, usual, or specified; extra: a charge for excess baggage; excess profits.
–verb (used with object) 7. to dismiss, demote, transfer, or furlough (an employee), esp. as part of a mass layoff.
Originally posted by Rutog98
This is desperate beyond belief. The glacier was nothing to Sienna. Did you read her response to the glacier thing? Cyclop's blasts were stated to be strong enough to level mountains in that issue. Sienna has the power to split the Earth like a ripe melon and her power was compared to the Phoenix's. His power is nothing compared to hers. Sienna Blze can casually throw blasts that can do things like sink half of Scotlane Mainland. Xavier telepathically forced her to expend all of her energies which burned her out. Storm redirected the energies while Cyclops just got what was left over. Storm is the one who did the brunt of the work and the resources she has to draw on puts Scott's to shame. This is desperation at its best.
Can you prove any of that without giving off all the speculation you have written?
There are several flaws in your own argument.
- How do you know Sienna wasn't bluffing with regards to the glacier? I agree it is very unlikely to have much impact on her blast and i personally don't believe the glacier would negate her blast much at all, but where is the proof of your own comment? Once again, it's ambiguous. I clearly stated earlier that i had no qualms about you guys saying Storm summoned the power of the Galactic Core provided you were consistent in your own arguments. Swanky questioned you on the validity of that Galactic comment, and you responded it was canon. Fine. It is canon here that Storm, Cyclops AND the glacier all contributed to Sienna's downfall. So why keep stating she did it ALL? You're wrong wrong wrong.
- The very same issue also states that Storm's powers of temperature regulation are that if the environment is hotter/colder, her core body temperature reacts inversely. She almost killed herself in a snow blizzard she had created, and it needed Prof X to help her out. Which would mean that if she went into space where it's quite a bit colder....then she would fry her own body to a crisp. I'm not for one minute suggesting that her powers DO actually work in this way (no doubt you will cite bad writing for this), but then you can't dismiss the power of Cylops' blasts either.....
- Why? Because i've NEVER seen it stated that Storm has enough power to pulverise adamantium, but i've seen it for Cyke. I've seen him destroy Apocalypse in one almighty blast, when only in the previous few pages Black Bolt was using his powers against Apoc with no effect. I've seen him split Onslaught's armour even further when Storm DIDN'T. I've also seen issues where he says he has enough power to split a small planet, to power the Phoenix with unlimited power....i've also got the issue right in front of me where Cylops requests Storm call down as much lightning that SHE can stand and then blast him with it....and you know what? He takes it all. So i guess he's more durable than her now....(the issue is King Size Annual, issue 3).
The point i wanted to make, and am still making, is that there are huge flaws all over the place i comics. Telling me my argument is desperate when i question certain things is actually more desperate, in my opinion.
I'll try and sum it up again for you.
If it is stated on page, it is canon. So sure, Storm summoned a Galactic Core.
It was also stated in X-Men Unlimited that Storm, Cylops and the glacier brought Sienna down.
Therefore, all the speculation aside on who is more powerful or not, why do you still insist Storm did it ALL?
And i still have a question unanswered about who the better leader is.... 🙂
Originally posted by bean_machine
1. the fact of exceeding something else in amount or degree: His strength is in excess of yours.
2. the amount or degree by which one thing exceeds another: The bill showed an excess of several hundred dollars over the estimate.
3. an extreme or excessive amount or degree; superabundance: to have an excess of energy.
4. a going beyond what is regarded as customary or proper: to talk to excess.
5. immoderate indulgence; intemperance in eating, drinking, etc.
–adjective 6. more than or above what is necessary, usual, or specified; extra: a charge for excess baggage; excess profits.
–verb (used with object) 7. to dismiss, demote, transfer, or furlough (an employee), esp. as part of a mass layoff.
None of that helps your case.
CONTEXT.
"Shaking my head" 😘