Darthgoober's Amalgam Tourney discussion thread

in my case it was a functin of the COMPUTER mind i possess. 😬 least that's how it was explained when goob and i discussed it a while back.

there IS something of a contradiction though -- bw said the brain is of the MIND character. that is CLEARLY against what goob told me. the BODY character determines the actual physical brain -- brain IS part of the body, after all, so it only makes sense . . .

indy's power to process is a function of her being a super-computer. i couldn't access that ability if i did not have a computerized brain that could handle the super-speed input from her senses.

this point i WILL argue ad nauseum because i SPECIFICALLY cleared it with goob previously and it was one of my favourite parts of my amalgam. 🙁

Originally posted by leonidas
indy's power to process is a function of her being a super-computer. i couldn't access that ability if i did not have a computerized brain that could handle the super-speed input from her senses.

this point i WILL argue ad nauseum because i SPECIFICALLY cleared it with goob previously and it was one of my favourite parts of my amalgam. 🙁

😛 dur

why i otta . . .

Personally, I've been judging under the interpretation that the brain (physical composition) was determined by the body and the mind character's consciousness was simply placed into the body pick (basically like a Dr. Doom body swap). It seemed like the logical interpretation.

As far as the reaction speed, it's a trait of Indigo being a machine herself, however, with Spiral being in a machine body and brain, being granted Indigo's technopathic abilities that unlock the full potential of the form (DH-II's own brain also possesses high speed processing and reaction speeds, coupled with Spiral's own mystically enhanced attributes and Indigo's super computer abilities as well), it just blends very well and seems logical. So personally on that case (Leo's amalgam) I side with him having said abilities. It's just smart mixing (as opposed to the Shadowcat/Thunder debacle).

Also, there's been a lot of either contradictory or incomplete information floating around. I think it has to do with the scope and complexity of this tournament and the nuances of the amalgamation process coupled with Goob being bombarded with so many questions from so many people. This was bound to lead to something like this occurring.

I mean, look at what happened with the prep rules.

So by that logic, my guy's mind should be cybernetic. The consciousness of Jamie imbedded in the cybernetic brain and body of Bastion, correct?

yes, tp, that is correct based on what goob told me.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
So by that logic, my guy's mind should be cybernetic. The consciousness of Jamie imbedded in the cybernetic brain and body of Bastion, correct?

Correct. 👆

However, you would also need a manner in which to unlock the full capacity of your cybernetic brain. As it stands you simply have base functionality (strength, durability, motor-functions). All other attributes are dormant (as stated by Goob).

Originally posted by illadelph12
Correct. 👆

However, you would also need a manner in which to unlock the full capacity of your cybernetic brain. As it stands you simply have base functionality (strength, durability, motor-functions). All other attributes are dormant (as stated by Goob).

yep. 🙂

Originally posted by leonidas
yes, tp, that is correct based on what goob told me.

which is wrong based on what I myself was told. But whatever, Im ok with either ruling.

👆

Originally posted by illadelph12
Personally, I've been judging under the interpretation that the brain (physical composition) was determined by the body and the mind character's consciousness was simply placed into the body pick (basically like a Dr. Doom body swap). It seemed like the logical interpretation.

As far as the reaction speed, it's a trait of Indigo being a machine herself, however, with Spiral being in a machine body and brain, being granted Indigo's technopathic abilities that unlock the full potential of the form (DH-II's own brain also possesses high speed processing and reaction speeds, coupled with Spiral's own mystically enhanced attributes and Indigo's super computer abilities as well), it just blends very well and seems logical. So personally on that case (Leo's amalgam) I side with him having said abilities. It's just smart mixing (as opposed to the Shadowcat/Thunder debacle).

Also, there's been a lot of either contradictory or incomplete information floating around. I think it has to do with the scope and complexity of this tournament and the nuances of the amalgamation process coupled with Goob being bombarded with so many questions from so many people. This was bound to lead to something like this occurring.

I mean, look at what happened with the prep rules.

I mean I look at it this way.

Reaction speeds as issued by Goobs are a product of the mind character. So he never had her Super processing power as that is her reaction time.

Now I can understand him unlocking DH2's processing power because he actually has Dh2's physical mind but I don't see how he can unlock something that he
a) never had
b) has no physical means to unlock
😬

Well, I think part of the problem with that Newjak is defining what exactly is a power and what's simply a trait.

Take for example Superman:

He has superspeed, super reactions, super strength, super thinking speed, etc., but are these actual powers, or simply traits of his Kryptonian physiology (or both)? If he were drafted as a powers pick would you actually get his thinking speed or Kryptonian trait of absorbing and metabolizing energy? Would that be considered as a power or simply the result of his being Kryptonian? It's hard to make that distinction.

When it comes to inorganic beings (robots, cyborgs, etc) the line is even more blurry. Not all machines are built equally. Some machines have abilities they are simply programmed with (i.e. Vision, Red Tornado, Metal Men, etc), whereas others simply have highly advanced cognitive abilities (Brainiac, Ultron, Indigo, etc). Is this simply a trait of them being machines, or an ability/power?

As for unlocking DH-II's ability, it kind of makes the Indigo argument a moot point, but you do raise a valid point. The distinctions aren't clearly quantified and could cause a lot of conflicts.

super-speed thinking is a unique ability. i'm not the only one to use it in this way though. someone else did the same thing -- stacks? anyway, someone else did.

thing is, everyone can think. the ability to think and process at superspeeds is a power. dhii's mind itself dl'd and processed all of reed's knowledge, and he has dodged close-range laser-fire in combat. you seem willing to allow dhii's power, but not indy's. one of her powers is her heightened senses and ability to dl/sort/process vast amounts of info. are you saying she shouldn't be able to sense/take in info like that? sensory input is clearly a power, imo. i could NOT process the info if i didn't have a computer brain to ALLOW me to do so.

but i do.

like i said, i'll not be backing down on this stance because it was ALREADY cleared by goob. is it a muddy issue? yeah, which is why i too it to him FIRST before going with the argument.

👆

Originally posted by illadelph12
Well, I think part of the problem with that Newjak is defining what exactly is a power and what's simply a trait.

Take for example Superman:

He has superspeed, super reactions, super strength, super thinking speed, etc., but are these actual powers, or simply traits of his Kryptonian physiology (or both)? If he were drafted as a powers pick would you actually get his thinking speed or Kryptonian trait of absorbing and metabolizing energy? Would that be considered as a power or simply the result of his being Kryptonian? It's hard to make that distinction.

When it comes to inorganic beings (robots, cyborgs, etc) the line is even more blurry. Not all machines are built equally. Some machines have abilities they are simply programmed with (i.e. Vision, Red Tornado, Metal Men, etc), whereas others simply have highly advanced cognitive abilities (Brainiac, Ultron, Indigo, etc). Is this simply a trait of them being machines, or an ability/power?

As for unlocking DH-II's ability, it kind of makes the Indigo argument a moot point, but you do raise a valid point. The distinctions aren't clearly quantified and could cause a lot of conflicts.

My problem is that I was told by Goobs that the Reaction/thinking ability of a character was a mind trait not a power trait. I have no qualms with him having his powers put into his body heck its part of the whole assumption that all powers and abilities work.

But from what I've been told reaction that ability to think and analyze is not part of the power category. Which is what Indigo's Processing power is the ability to analyze and think.

Therefore from what I've been told it does not carry over nor is there a physical aspect for him to unlock it with.

From what I've been told it simply isn't there at all.

I have a serious problem with Digi messing with the arena mid-match. I would have been cool with the 8 cube set up (works better than the 4 jackass cubes) but come on, mid-match? And so help me, I shall dur Digi to the next millennium if he makes them rotate randomly. durfist I want a damn clarification of where we're fighting and how the arena is set up. You can't do something completely abstract and expect there to be no questions asked. 😬

Edit: If the arena is still 4 cubes, then ignore this post, and dur me.

Originally posted by leonidas
super-speed thinking is a unique ability. i'm not the only one to use it in this way though. someone else did the same thing -- stacks? anyway, someone else did.

thing is, everyone can think. the ability to think and process at superspeeds is a power. dhii's mind itself dl'd and processed all of reed's knowledge, and he has dodged close-range laser-fire in combat. you seem willing to allow dhii's power, but not indy's. one of her powers is her heightened senses and ability to dl/sort/process vast amounts of info. are you saying she shouldn't be able to sense/take in info like that? sensory input is clearly a power, imo. i could NOT process the info if i didn't have a computer brain to ALLOW me to do so.

but i do.

like i said, i'll not be backing down on this stance because it was ALREADY cleared by goob. is it a muddy issue? yeah, which is why i too it to him FIRST before going with the argument.

When all I'm asking is which is true is Reaction speed a power or mind trait. You've said Goobs allowed it as a power but he told me it was part of the mind category because that was the character we would be thinking with.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I have a serious problem with Digi messing with the arena mid-match. I would have been cool with the 8 cube set up (works better than the 4 jackass cubes) but come on, mid-match? And so help me, I shall dur Digi to the next millennium if he makes them rotate randomly. durfist I want a damn clarification of where we're fighting and how the arena is set up. You can't do something completely abstract and expect there to be no questions asked. 😬

Edit: If the arena is still 4 cubes, then ignore this post, and dur me.

Originally posted by Newjak
That is not the problem I'm having at all Ill.

My problem is that I was told by Goobs that the Reaction/thinking ability of a character was a mind trait not a power trait. I have no qualms with him having his powers put into his body heck its part of the whole assumption that all powers and abilities work.

But from what I've been told reaction that ability to think and analyze is not part of the power category. Which is what Indigo's Processing power is.

Therefore from what I've been told it does not carry over nor is there a physical aspect for him to unlock it with.

From what I've been told it simply isn't there at all.

I really don't want to get into another quote and retort with you (just got back from seeing Transformers again and I'm trying to keep the euphoria). 😄

I will, however, note that you kind of just answered your own question in the above quoted post unless you can prove that cognitive abilities aren't powers (ala Cypher, Sage).

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I have a serious problem with Digi messing with the arena mid-match. I would have been cool with the 8 cube set up (works better than the 4 jackass cubes) but come on, mid-match? And so help me, I shall dur Digi to the next millennium if he makes them rotate randomly. durfist I want a damn clarification of where we're fighting and how the arena is set up. You can't do something completely abstract and expect there to be no questions asked. 😬

Edit: If the arena is still 4 cubes, then ignore this post, and dur me.

Yeah, I'm sorry about adding to that also. Poorly timed joke. 🙁

Maybe it should just be reworded as 4 evenly proportioned rectangular prisms forming a cube with the 4 distinct characteristics.

Besides, it could be worse.

You could be fighting in a giant swimming pool made out of hairy, regenerating flesh full of strawberry jello. 👇