Darthgoober's Amalgam Tourney discussion thread

Originally posted by illadelph12
I really don't want to get into another quote and retort with you (just got back from seeing Transformers again and I'm trying to keep the euphoria). 😄

I will, however, note that you kind of just answered your own question in the above quoted post unless you can prove that cognitive abilities aren't powers.

This has nothing to do with quote and retort you obviously didn't even understand what I was saying 😬

The fact is that Goobs told me that Reaction time would be handled as a mind trait. Seeing as that is the part of our character that will be doing the thinking.

Leo says though that Goobs oked it as a power which I can see it as that as well.

Point is that both ways are correct. It can be a power or it can be based solely on the Mind character.
That apparently two different rulings on the subject has been made and needs to be clarified.

This has nothing to do with Indy's powers transferring over to the DH2 body. I'm fully fine with that.

Originally posted by Newjak
What?

This has nothing to do with quote and retort you obviously didn't even understand what I was saying 😬

The fact is that Goobs told me that Reaction time would be handled as a mind trait. Seeing as that is the part of our character that will be doing the thinking.

Leo says though that Goobs oked it as a power which I can see it as that as well.

Point is that both ways are correct. It can be a power or it can be based solely on the Mind character.
That apparently two different rulings on the subject has been made and needs to be clarified.

This has nothing to do with Indy's powers transferring over to the DH2 body. I'm fully fine with that.

So what if you drafted Quicksilver or Northstar as powers?

Eh, I'm leaving it at that as far as this thread is concerned. If you want to discuss it further with me directly you can PM me newjak. You know I'm all ears.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Eh, I'm leaving it at that as far as this thread is concerned. If you want to discuss it further with me directly you can PM me newjak. You know I'm all ears.

Originally posted by illadelph12
So what if you drafted Quicksilver or Northstar as powers?

yep. reaction times for them are powers, they are a direct result of superspeed, which indy also has. how could someone move at superspeeds if they didn't have the ability to take in and process info at superhuman speeds? if you take northstar, it is understood you get his reaction speeds, which fall under superspeed which is a power. to USE superspeed you NEED to process info at superspeeds. there really isn't anyway to distinguish between the 2. 😬

Originally posted by leonidas
yep. reaction times for them are powers, they are a direct result of superspeed, which indy also has. how could someone move at superspeeds if they didn't have the ability to take in and process info at superhuman speeds? if you take northstar, it is understood you get his reaction speeds, which fall under superspeed which is a power. to USE superspeed you NEED to process info at superspeeds. there really isn't anyway to distinguish between the 2. 😬

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Any number of speedster that ran into walls.

How do you distinguish them one category has Great Reaction time

The other well let's just say they run really fast

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quicksilver isn't a martial artist . .. nor northstar . . . nor spidey . . .

anyway, it was already ok'd by goob and past the judges in rd 1. i had no problem putting up our other discussions to a vote, but this one HAS been dealt with so sorry nj, not trying to be a dick, but i'll not be conceding the point this time round. 😬

Originally posted by leonidas
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quicksilver isn't a martial artist . .. nor northstar . . . nor spidey . . .

anyway, it was already ok'd by goob and past the judges in rd 1. i had no problem putting up our other discussions to a vote, but this one HAS been dealt with so sorry nj, not trying to be a dick, but i'll not be conceding the point this time round. 😬

Hence my question from the beginning Leo. Seriously do you even read my posts?

Originally posted by illadelph12

And Leo Superspeed and Reaction time are hardly ever considered the same power look at Glads and Superman.

Midnighter, Wolverine, Karate Kid, Spider-man, Deathstroke. All of their reaction speed would go under the mind category.

Leo the mind category was specifically made to take a person's skill, tech, and ability to think. Reaction time is the ability to think.

Just because you think things intertwine doesn't mean they haven't been separated in this tourney before. Quicksilver's speed is supposed to stem from his ability to leg press 1000 pounds but his isn't a body power. Nor if you took him as a power would you gain his ability to leg press 1000 pounds. An ability that is intertwined is separated.

The ability to think fast obviously falls under the mind category no matter how much you think the two abilities intertwine Leo. Especially when there are a ton of people with vast reaction times that only go under the mind pick.

Originally posted by Newjak
Stop doing that in public Ill 😕 😛

And Leo Superspeed and Reaction time are hardly ever considered the same power look at Glads and Superman.

Midnighter, Wolverine, Karate Kid, Spider-man, Deathstroke. All of their reaction speed would go under the mind category.

Leo the mind category was specifically made to take a person's skill, tech, and ability to think. Reaction time is the ability to think.

Just because you think things intertwine doesn't mean they haven't been separated in this tourney before. Quicksilver's speed is supposed to stem from his ability to leg press 1000 pounds but his isn't a body power. Nor if you took him as a power would you gain his ability to leg press 1000 pounds. An ability that is intertwined is separated.

The ability to think fast obviously falls under the mind category nomatter how much you think the two abilities intertwine Leo. Especially when there are a ton of people with vast reaction times that only go under the mind pick.

Originally posted by Newjak
Except I have a ruling that said reaction speed is part of the mind category.

Hence my question from the beginning Leo. Seriously do you even read my posts?

and i have a ruling that says otherwise. you say reaction stems from the mind. so if i chose spidey powers and reed's mind, i'd not be able to dodge bullets?

makes no sense. if i chose quicksilver's mind but blob's body, blob could suddenly dodge close-range laser fire?

i read your posts. i also disagree with them. 😬

Originally posted by leonidas
and i have a ruling that says otherwise. you say reaction stems from the mind. so if i chose spidey powers and reed's mind, i'd not be able to dodge bullets?

makes no sense. if i chose quicksilver's mind but blob's body, blob could suddenly dodge close-range laser fire?

i read your posts. i also disagree with them. 😬

And all you would get from spidey powers is spider-sense, Organic webbing nothing else.

And I have a ruling that says otherwise. I have ruling that says Reaction time is a mind trait. And I think that reaction time is clearly a mind trait because it deals with thinking.

Edit: And I'm getting tired of people switching words around. The mind category is for thinking. Reaction time is nothing more than your ability to think fast. Therefore it doesn't matter if you think it goes hand and hand with Super Speed(It doesn't). The fact is it is still your ability to think fast. Which is obviously part of the mind category.

There is no other way around it. Just look at other powers like Kentic absorbtion(Shaw) it would seem to be a power but it goes underneath the Body category why because you don't have to activate it and supplies superstrength and durability.

Super Reaction Time=thinking about information fast=the ability to think=Mind category.

Flat out no ifs ands or buts.
Leo you ARE WRONG!!!!!!!!

And Leo before you go but Reaction Time goes hand and Hand with some of people's Super Speed, Yadda, YAda bullcrap.

IT doesn't matter. It belongs in a separate category it doesn't matter if it goes hand and hand. IT doesn't matter if they develop it from their Superspeed. It is still their ability to think (Mind Category)

Look at Ms. Marvel her strength goes hand and hand with her powers but it goes into a separate category why because it belongs in that category.

And before you go and try to say but it isn't just thinking, It's SUPER THINKING. Like some smacktard. You could draft freaking batman as a body and have normal strength, but you can draft Colossus and SUPERSTRENGTH

Just because someone can draft superthinking doesn't automatically put it into a power. IT goes into the mind category because it is thinking ability no matter how fast you think doesn't determine that. Only the fact that it is your ability to think that does.

You and Ill are both wrong on this matter no matter what words games you play. Thinking is mind category no matter how fast it is.

And another thing Leo before you try to play some sly comment about how then would I get Cannonball's durability when it falls into the body category. Simply put because I have to activate and it doesn't always stay activated.

And before you try and be ghey no Colossus can stay indefinitely in his metal form and doesn't have to worry about reverting. Therefore it doesn't fall under powers.

This is pretty much so you don't try to cloud the issue like you always do trying to turn this back on me. Thinking you are some clever beaver.

You draft Quicksilver as a power you get his speed
You draft Quicksilver as a body you only get his strength
You draft Quicksilver as a mind you get his ability to think fast.

Substitute that for any other speedster you want Leo it doesn't change a thing.

Your reaction Speed is your ability to think, you don't have to activate your ability to think. You can add the term super to it doesn't change the fact it is thinking a big trait of the mind category.

Unless of course you are going to try and say that you don't get Spiral's ability to think fast.

I agree with Newjak.

Characters in comics with superspeed are bound to have fast reaction times, because it's imbecilic to create one that didn't.

This tourney doesn't have the same benefit of the doubt.

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triple post in an attempt to head-off paranoid perceptions of arguments i might come up with?? 😱

someone is losing it . . . 😖hifty:

anyway, so quicksilver's mind in blob's body=ability to dodge laser fire. got it. 🙂

seriously, you're trying to paint the issue with a black and white brush, when there is a lot of grey.

WHICH IS WHY I CLEARED IT WITH GOOB FIRST!

the ability to think is a mind trait. the ability to do it at superspeeds is a power.

but don't let my clever "twisting of facts" keep you from preaching on. 😉

ps--nj, you know i like you, and as far as i'm concerned this is typical tourney-talk (same happened with me and blair, earlier), but the name calling isn't cool . . . ❌

Originally posted by leonidas
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triple post in an attempt to head-off paranoid perceptions of arguments i might come up with?? 😱

someone is losing it . . . 😖hifty:

anyway, so quicksilver's mind in blob's body=ability to dodge laser fire. got it. 🙂

seriously, you're trying to paint the issue with a black and white brush, when there is a lot of grey.

[B]WHICH IS WHY I CLEARED IT WITH GOOB FIRST!

the ability to think is a mind trait. the ability to do it at superspeeds is a power.

but don't let my clever "twisting of facts" keep you from preaching on. 😉

ps--nj, you know i like you, and as far as i'm concerned this is typical tourney-talk (same happened with me and blair, earlier), but the name calling isn't cool . . . ❌ [/B]

Just because you can think faster than a typical person doesn't automatically equate it to a power category pick.

And Quicksilver's mind in Blob's body means he could think
as fast as Quicksilver.

And I'll call you a smacktard any time I want 😛

Originally posted by Newjak
Then why is that you can draft people with Superstrength Leo in the body category.

Just because you can think faster than a typical person doesn't automatically equate it to a power category pick.

And Quicksilver's mind in Blob's body means he could think
as fast as Quicksilver.

And I'll call you a smacktard any time I want 😛

i'm not gonna argue that the categories and their distinctions are perfect. it seems unbelieveable to me to think you can draft prof x's mind and NOT get psionics. 😬 psionics are CLEARLY an aspect of mind, but his mind is apparently a POWER for this event.

meh, whatever. my ability to think fast isn't what pwn'd you in my last post anyway. so hurry up and reply. 😛

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm not gonna argue that the categories and their distinctions are perfect. it seems unbelieveable to me to think you can draft prof x's mind and NOT get psionics. 😬 psionics are CLEARLY an aspect of mind, but his mind is apparently a POWER for this event.

meh, whatever. my ability to think fast isn't what pwn'd you in my last post anyway. so hurry up and reply. 😛