Damn bottem of the page...
Originally posted by darthgoober
[B]RULES UPDATE!!!!!Ok people, in response to the dissatisfaction in regards to the last tournament going under, I’ve decided to host one of my own. So everyone get ready for….
DARTHGOOBER’S AMALGAM TOURNEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YAY!!!!!!!!!!!(Sorry, had to take a moment to poke fun at batdude but I‘m better now. Put the gun down bats, it was just a joke 😛 )
Alright now this is going to be a 3 character amalgam tournament, and it will be following a slightly different format than what everyone is used to so PAY ATTENTION. Everyone will select 3 characters to represent the Mind/Body/Powers of the finished amalgam. Now here’s where it gets tricky…
The "Body" character supplies any PHYSICAL powers and characteristics(strength, durability, agility, adamantium skeleton, etc.). ANY powers that aren’t purely physical, will be considered to be turned off for match purposes(including flight, energy blast, etc).
The "Mind" character supplies all of the mental characteristics(things like fighting skills, technical knowledge, and any learned abilities like sorcery, Dr. Druids mental powers, Iron Fist's powers or any other powers that come strictly from training) and also the "Mind" character is the source for any potential equipment(like Iron Man's armor, or Cable's weapons) but again nothing else. Keep in mind that only psi abilities that are the result of training fall into this category, the abilities of mutant psi’s and the like fall under the heading of the “Powers” category.
The "Powers" character contributes any powers that don't fit into either of the above categories(things like Firestar’s, Psylock’s, or Invisible Woman’s powers). The character has full use of anything that falls into the power category though, even if the "Mind" character has no experience with it so to speak.
For instance….
You draft She Hulk for your “Body” character, Witchblade as your “Mind” character, and Invisible Woman as your “Powers you’d have a character with She Hulk’s strength/durability/etc., Witchblade’s fighting abilities and skills(along with full access to the powers of the Witchblade itself), and all the powers of IW added to that.Now on to the actual rules of this thing(most of this is borrowed from batdude and Evangel)
1. This is going to be an Iron Man level event like the last one(meaning that your selected characters can be AS powerful as non Extremis Iron Man, as long as there not MORE powerful than he is overall) since that was what everyone was hyped to participate in, but I plan on being A LOT more strict in regards to character selection than DL was. In fact(before it becomes an issue) consider the following people banned from character selection…
Mar-Vell
Super Skrull
Dr. Light
Dr. DoomMore will be added to that list as I identify characters as being to powerful. I know it seems as though I plan on being a dick about who’s allowed but I assure you that I have good reason. After the initial character selection, NO CAPS will be put into place in regards to how powerful your completed amalgam is allowed to become. The way I see it, if you can come up with a way to have 3 characters who are legitimately Iron Man level combine to create someone who equals a sky father after prep, then you deserve the chance to show that level of intelligence and creativity off to the rest of the forum.
2. The following moves/techniques are barred for tourney purposes…
No time manipulation..
No Absorbing powers that injure the absorbed character (IE., Rogue)
No Telepathic mind shutdowns (IE., Jean Grey causing a foe to think themselves into death, or simply pass out)
No Offensive organic matter manipulation (IE., Sersi turning a foe into a pig)
• Manipulating one's own organic matter to heal, or regenerate lost body parts is acceptable
No death touches/stares/blasts/etc (IE., Decay making a foe's body break down)
No Reality warping (IE., Franklin Richards bending the time-space continuum to suit his will)
No Multiplying (IE., the Multiple Man)
No On-the-fly adaptation (IE., Doomsday's ability to come back from the dead immune to whatever killed him)
No Mind/body swapping (IE., Doctor Doom's mind transfer)
No Mind control (IE., Emma Frost taking over a foe's mind and having him kill himself, etc.)
• A mental attack on an opponent is allowed though.3. Independent Constructs- Up to 2 independent constructs are acceptable. The independent constructs themselves must be BELOW Iron Man level. These constructs can also be made during the prep time.
4. 10 minutes of prep time will be available before each match. You can do pretty much anything you want during prep as long as you don’t attack or spy on the other team.
5. Digi’s NO FREAKIN LOOPHOLES rule will be in full effect for this tourney. It will be strictly enforced so don’t bother trying to convince me that a character is under the caps just because there’s no proof that they’re over. Common sense will be the true cap for this thing, and if anyone somehow sneaks and drafts a character that’s to powerful into their amalgam, they’ll be disqualified IMMEDIATELY(and I don’t care if I don’t notice until the finals have started, the match will be closed and you’ll be declared the loser).
6(Add on). No "Special Versions" of characters. So no Keeper's, no Earth X Absorbing Man's, no All Star Supes(All of which are WAY to high for this tourney, but you get the point). Also, picks must have at least 10 appearances to be eligible.
These rules will likely be expanded on as the need arises, but that’s what we have up to this point. [/B]
Originally posted by King Kandy
Would Erica be a eligible character for this tourney?I previously thought she was herald level, but my attempt to use her in Evangels Tourney has shown me that that was SEVEREALLY overrating her.
Originally posted by darthgoober
For instance….
You draft She Hulk for your “Body” character, Witchblade as your “Mind” character, and Invisible Woman as your “Powers you’d have a character with She Hulk’s strength/durability/etc., Witchblade’s fighting abilities and skills(along with full access to the powers of the Witchblade itself), and all the powers of IW added to that.
So would this hypothetical amalgam with Witchblade's mind have the full knowledge and experience required to use Invisible Woman's powers to their full potential?
Or would she just have the powers but no idea how to control them?
Originally posted by Scoobless
So would this hypothetical amalgam with Witchblade's mind have the full knowledge and experience required to use Invisible Woman's powers to their full potential?Or would she just have the powers but no idea how to control them?
By the way, I don't know much about Witchblade, she's just who I happened to think of when coming up with that example. Should she be allowed or no?
RULES UPDATE!!!!! (More banned characters)
Ok people, in response to the dissatisfaction in regards to the last tournament going under, I’ve decided to host one of my own. So everyone get ready for….
DARTHGOOBER’S AMALGAM TOURNEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YAY!!!!!!!!!!!(Sorry, had to take a moment to poke fun at batdude but I‘m better now. Put the gun down bats, it was just a joke 😛 )
Alright now this is going to be a 3 character amalgam tournament, and it will be following a slightly different format than what everyone is used to so PAY ATTENTION. Everyone will select 3 characters to represent the Mind/Body/Powers of the finished amalgam. Now here’s where it gets tricky…
The "Body" character supplies any PHYSICAL powers and characteristics(strength, durability, agility, adamantium skeleton, etc.). ANY powers that aren’t purely physical, will be considered to be turned off for match purposes(including flight, energy blast, etc).
The "Mind" character supplies all of the mental characteristics(things like fighting skills, technical knowledge, and any learned abilities like sorcery, Dr. Druids mental powers, Iron Fist's powers or any other powers that come strictly from training) and also the "Mind" character is the source for any potential equipment(like Iron Man's armor, or Cable's weapons) but again nothing else. Keep in mind that only psi abilities that are the result of training fall into this category, the abilities of mutant psi’s and the like fall under the heading of the “Powers” category.
The "Powers" character contributes any powers that don't fit into either of the above categories(things like Firestar’s, Psylock’s, or Invisible Woman’s powers). The character has full use of anything that falls into the power category though, even if the "Mind" character has no experience with it so to speak.
For instance….
You draft She Hulk for your “Body” character, Witchblade as your “Mind” character, and Invisible Woman as your “Powers you’d have a character with She Hulk’s strength/durability/etc., Witchblade’s fighting abilities and skills(along with full access to the powers of the Witchblade itself), and all the powers of IW added to that.
Now on to the actual rules of this thing(most of this is borrowed from batdude and Evangel)
1. This is going to be an Iron Man level event like the last one(meaning that your selected characters can be AS powerful as non Extremis Iron Man, as long as there not MORE powerful than he is overall) since that was what everyone was hyped to participate in, but I plan on being A LOT more strict in regards to character selection than DL was. In fact(before it becomes an issue) consider the following people banned from character selection…
Mar-Vell
Super Skrull
Dr. Light
Dr. Doom
Metamorpho
Mandarin
Madison Jeffries
More will be added to that list as I identify characters as being to powerful. I know it seems as though I plan on being a dick about who’s allowed but I assure you that I have good reason. After the initial character selection, NO CAPS will be put into place in regards to how powerful your completed amalgam is allowed to become. The way I see it, if you can come up with a way to have 3 characters who are legitimately Iron Man level combine to create someone who equals a sky father after prep, then you deserve the chance to show that level of intelligence and creativity off to the rest of the forum.
2. The following moves/techniques are barred for tourney purposes…
No time manipulation..
No Absorbing powers that injure the absorbed character (IE., Rogue)
No Telepathic mind shutdowns (IE., Jean Grey causing a foe to think themselves into death, or simply pass out)
No Offensive organic matter manipulation (IE., Sersi turning a foe into a pig)
• Manipulating one's own organic matter to heal, or regenerate lost body parts is acceptable
No death touches/stares/blasts/etc (IE., Decay making a foe's body break down)
No Reality warping (IE., Franklin Richards bending the time-space continuum to suit his will)
No Multiplying (IE., the Multiple Man)
No On-the-fly adaptation (IE., Doomsday's ability to come back from the dead immune to whatever killed him)
No Mind/body swapping (IE., Doctor Doom's mind transfer)
No Mind control (IE., Emma Frost taking over a foe's mind and having him kill himself, etc.)
• A mental attack on an opponent is allowed though.
3. Independent Constructs- Up to 2 independent constructs are acceptable. The independent constructs themselves must be BELOW Iron Man level. These constructs can also be made during the prep time.
4. 10 minutes of prep time will be available before each match. You can do pretty much anything you want during prep as long as you don’t attack or spy on the other team.
5. Digi’s NO FREAKIN LOOPHOLES rule will be in full effect for this tourney. It will be strictly enforced so don’t bother trying to convince me that a character is under the caps just because there’s no proof that they’re over. Common sense will be the true cap for this thing, and if anyone somehow sneaks and drafts a character that’s to powerful into their amalgam, they’ll be disqualified IMMEDIATELY(and I don’t care if I don’t notice until the finals have started, the match will be closed and you’ll be declared the loser).
6(Add on). No "Special Versions" of characters. So no Keeper's, no Earth X Absorbing Man's, no All Star Supes(All of which are WAY to high for this tourney, but you get the point). Also, picks must have at least 10 appearances to be eligible.
These rules will likely be expanded on as the need arises, but that’s what we have up to this point.
Originally posted by Roldz
If i take Mr. fantastic as body would he still retain his elasticity, making him near invulnerable to physical attack? How about a liquid, energy or smoke body, they banned or not?
I was thinking about that myself ... but I think those would all come under the "power" characters abilities.
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So far we have:
King Kandy
Martian_mind
TricksterPriest (I think)
Entity
Joey Stacks (Who?)
Blair Wind
Roldz
Scoobless
Newjak
Ethereal
Devil Lance
I have a question.
Now with the mind/body/power bit we know some people will only get some of their powers.
Now the question I have is if this is the case can we pick a character that was picked in a different category for a different power set.
For Example Wolverine. If you take his body you would get his what physical abilities right.
If you take his mind you get his fighting skill
If you get his power you get his Healing Factor right.
So what if someone picked Wolverine for their mind character could I say pick him for my Power character as well?
Or once someone gets picked in any catergory they are done?
Originally posted by Newjak
I have a question.Now with the mind/body/power bit we know some people will only get some of their powers.
Now the question I have is if this is the case can we pick a character that was picked in a different category for a different power set.
For Example Wolverine. If you take his body you would get his what physical abilities right.
If you take his mind you get his fighting skill
If you get his power you get his Healing Factor right.
So what if someone picked Wolverine for their mind character could I say pick him for my Power character as well?
Or once someone gets picked in any catergory they are done?
I can see DarkCrawler rushing in and choosing Namor for all 3 catagories now.
😛
Ok folks sorry I've been away for a bit , but I'm back with SOME answers. But before I do there's something else that needs to be addressed. People seem to be getting hung up on the exact wording of the rules rather than the spirit behind them, and we should really try to avoid that. My system isn't perfect(neither was the old amalgam system though), and because of that problems will arise concerning the details of some characters. So sometimes we'll probably have to quirk the rules for certain characters just to get by. I understand that everyone wants to make the best character possible(and there's nothing wrong with that), but let's try to keep loopholing due to the "Letter of the Law" to a minimal. With that in mind...
1. Reed Richards could really go either way and because of that guys like him will be a little tricky to deal with. If you take him as your "Body" character you WILL get his basic durability. But if your wanting to use his offensive capabilities as well your going to have to draft him into the "Powers" category.
As a basic rule of thumb, your "Body" comes with any abilties that don't require mental effort to control. So if it's automatic(like someone shooting Reed and his body stretching in automatic response) then it's "Body". If it DOES require mental control(like Reed stretching to wrap around an opponent) then it falls under the "Powers" category. Because of this, I've decided to alter a previous ruling I made via PM where I classified Healing Factors as a "Power". Under the new system it WILL fall under the "Body" attribute as long as it doesn't require any mental effort on the characters part.
2. Superspeed for the most part will be handled as a "Power". If you look at someone like Quicksilver, his speed isn't a result of a his having better physical attributes than a normal human, it's rather the result of his mutant power. However someone like Hulk who had greater than normal speed because of advanced musculature WOULD retain his speed because in that case it's an actual physical attribute.
3. Things like Colossus's abilities will STILL fall under the "Body" category, even though he actually has to consciously change into his armored form.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok folks sorry I've been away for a bit , but I'm back with SOME answers. But before I do there's something else that needs to be addressed. People seem to be getting hung up on the exact wording of the rules rather than the spirit behind them, and we should really try to avoid that. My system isn't perfect(neither was the old amalgam system though), and because of that problems will arise concerning the details of some characters. So sometimes we'll probably have to quirk the rules for certain characters just to get by. I understand that everyone wants to make the best character possible(and there's nothing wrong with that), but let's try to keep loopholing due to the "Letter of the Law" to a minimal. With that in mind...1. Reed Richards could really go either way and because of that guys like him will be a little tricky to deal with. If you take him as your "Body" character you WILL get his basic durability. But if your wanting to use his offensive capabilities as well your going to have to draft him into the "Powers" category.
As a basic rule of thumb, your "Body" comes with any abilties that don't require mental effort to control. So if it's automatic(like someone shooting Reed and his body stretching in automatic response) then it's "Body". If it DOES require mental control(like Reed stretching to wrap around an opponent) then it falls under the "Powers" category. Because of this, I've decided to alter a previous ruling I made via PM where I classified Healing Factors as a "Power". Under the new system it WILL fall under the "Body" attribute as long as it doesn't require any mental effort on the characters part.
2. Superspeed for the most part will be handled as a "Power". If you look at someone like Quicksilver, his speed isn't a result of a his having better physical attributes than a normal human, it's rather the result of his mutant power. However someone like Hulk who had greater than normal speed because of advanced musculature WOULD retain his speed because in that case it's an actual physical attribute.
3. Things like Colossus's abilities will STILL fall under the "Body" category, even though he actually has to consciously change into his armored form.
How about somone like Atom Smasher would his size increasing abilities be considered body or powers ? 😕