Originally posted by Kris Blaze
But it doesn't matter, because it wasn't Karnak who was in control of his actions. This is even easier to understand. So instead of speculating on to what degree people are affected when under mind control, we simply disregard those events.Complicated, I know.
or we take them for what they are.
yes Panther feat was impressive, but it does not give him the win over karnak nor is it it anything mroe then circumstancial win.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
But it doesn't matter, because it wasn't Karnak who was in control of his actions. This is even easier to understand. So instead of speculating on to what degree people are affected when under mind control, we simply disregard those events.Complicated, I know.
Didn't Panther knocked Karnak down during his world tour? Was he mind controlled then too?
Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully this is all about your statement you made about how you allowed a memeber of the forum to effect your like of a character and how you need to exknowledge this problem to fix it.
No not really. This started because of what you said about BP fans, I then made an insulting post. Actually its about both
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
But it doesn't matter, because it wasn't Karnak who was in control of his actions. This is even easier to understand. So instead of speculating on to what degree people are affected when under mind control, we simply disregard those events.Complicated, I know.
Thats your opinion. Not everybody agress with you, and theres no rule on the forum that states this.
Furthermore you explanation doesnt even neccesarily make any sense. He wasnt in control of his actions? If he was controlled by the puppet master then you would be right, but if he was told to fight BP then he may not have the will to resist the mind control but he is actually in control of his actions when fighting BP, because its Karnak who deciding what techniques to use, when to dodge etc not the mind controller.
Originally posted by Bentley
Didn't Panther knocked Karnak down during his world tour? Was he mind controlled then too?
I know BP fought Karnak ages ago it was an old school issue.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No not really. This started because of what you said about BP fans, I then made an insulting post. Actually its about both.
Originally posted by Bentley
I know, I was just bringing up the second time he defeated Karnak in which as far as I remember there was no mind control.
Whats your opinion on mind control do you think it should be ruled out completely?
Originally posted by Battlehammer
If I was speaking out loud I could, but I am not so no. If you mean everyone elses then that be a no sinces I am typing....there no sound they could be hearing from me.
*sigh* its a figure of speech...nevermind.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok but dont you think there needs to be proof that the mind control affected the fighting ability sometimes its obvious.
I think that fighting ability is a mental ability as strategy would be too. To be in the safe side of things, there should be proof of the mind control NOT affecting the fighting ability to consider it so in the ranking.
Originally posted by Bentley
I think that fighting ability is a mental ability as strategy would be too. To be in the safe side of things, there should be proof of the mind control NOT affecting the fighting ability to consider it so in the ranking.
Yeah and if you have a mindcontrolled opponent and theres no proof of him being affected mentally then there proof of it not affacting the said person.
If they dont state for example they are not fighting mind control and they dont seem to be phsyically impaired then thats an example.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah and if you have a mindcontrolled opponent and theres no proof of him being affected mentally then there proof of it not affacting the said person.If they dont state for example they are not fighting mind control and they dont seem to be phsyically impaired then thats an example.
The problem is that mind control is still a mind tampering, unless stated otherwise it could affect the fighting ability pretty much by its presence. Would you say that a mind controlled Doom should by default be considered as motivated as Doom using the full extent of his will power in a combat? I think that it shouldn't be the default interpretation.
Originally posted by Bentley
The problem is that mind control is still a mind tampering, unless stated otherwise it could affect the fighting ability pretty much by its presence. Would you say that a mind controlled Doom should by default be considered as motivated as Doom using the full extent of his will power in a combat? I think that it shouldn't be the default interpretation.
It depends. I mean Lex and Promotheus were mindcontrolled and they wrecked shop, there was no evidence that mind control affected their ability. Hell it even seemed that they did better.
The fact is if you look mind control doesnt neccesarily hinder at all.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
It depends. I mean Lex and Promotheus were mindcontrolled and they wrecked shop, there was no evidence that mind control affected their ability. Hell it even seemed that they did better.The fact is if you look mind control doesnt neccesarily hinder at all.
As I said, its better to be in the safe side of things and assume its not the top ability of the character.
When Maxwell Lord controlled Superman and made him bloodlusted to fight Diana, he was still doing worse than some other times they have fought. By logic, bloodlust implied and stronger Superman, however it didn't seemed all that, why? Different artists, PIS for having the good beating the bad, not a real interesting in displaying the characters at the right powers, etc. I think any opportunity to use mind control to make characters fight is by definition rigged. So unless is very explicitly shown as something that keep the same way of combating taking it with a grain of salt will always be the safe route (the best route).