Originally posted by snoopdogg
Gambit to 3rd tier.And Punisher beat up Bullseye in Punisher vs Bullseye didn't he?
In one fight Punisher got wrecked by Bull eye and in another his cis and punisher durability won him the advantage, but it was not from being more skilled. Nor would one fight make him 2nd tier.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
In one fight Punisher got wrecked by Bull eye and in another his cis and punisher durability won him the advantage, but it was not from being more skilled. Nor would one fight make him 2nd tier.
LOL hes never been wrecked by Bullseye hes beaten Bullseye in h2h twice. 😆
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
LOL hes never been wrecked by Bullseye hes beaten Bullseye in h2h twice. 😆
and the one h2h fight he never out fought bull eye, bull eye cis and punisher damage soak won him the fight nothting elses
Originally posted by Battlehammer
yes he has, not saying it was hand two hand, but yes he got beat down in a full on fight with bull eye.
Then its not admissable as evidence.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
and the one h2h fight he never out fought bull eye, bull eye cis and punisher damage soak won him the fight nothting elses
Bullseye has an adamantuim skeleton. 😐
What CIS?
Originally posted by Battlehammer
he still got ****ed up.
There was zero h2h in that fight. Do you now understand how its not admissable as evidence.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
ao who gives shit if he has an adamatium skeleton?
You know...ermm an adamantuim skeleton gives you alot of damage soak.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
the fact bulleye was toying with him which was made clearly evident.
Just because he wasnt trying to kill him doesnt mean he wasnt trying to beat him up. There is no proof that if he had tried to kill him h2h that he would have won especially when he lost the first fight.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
There was zero h2h in that fight. Do you now understand how its not admissable as evidence.You know...ermm an adamantuim skeleton gives you alot of damage soak.
Just because he wasnt trying to kill him doesnt mean he wasnt trying to beat him up. There is no proof that if he had tried to kill him h2h that he would have won especially when he lost the first fight.
just in his spine and unlike Logans it can be knocked out of place, plus he never had good damage soak.
he was toying with him the entire fight. He never got out fought. He got cocky and punisher damage soak won him the fight. He did not out fight bull eye in terms of MA skill.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Good Lord are you actually arguing that Punisher wasn't doing that well? Why are you assuming that he had to use the wires.
The fight was brief a few blows exchanged and Punisher resorted to using wires to blind him before the skrulls blew the building up. It really wasn't a monolithic display of H2H prowess.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
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Compared to what? 😬
As you said him beating Kraven.
Punisher stating at least once he is no match for DD in one of Ennis's stories(can't remember which one will have to look back through issues).
Him generally not striking me as that impressive in Garth's stories. Doesn't really seem to have the typical street hero bullet dodging feats in his fights. He even expressed a bit of surprise that some hitman who was after him was able to dodge a bullet.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
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Well heres the thing. Im not going to deny its not possible but at least I got evidence instead of just an opinion.
An opinion based on commonsense and reasoned educated guesswork. 😉
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
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That really is faulty logic. You do realise martial arts doesnt just involve hitting people but dodging people, so therefore dodging ability is an example of martial art skill regardless of what you think.
I see..................
I look forward then to our bullet dodging sessions at my local self defence classes every Wednesday. 😛
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
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He beat 2 tier Bp who really should be in top tier i'll list reasons later.BP put up a good fight but in the end Kraven was just too tough.
How did their second fight go?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
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I tell you what how about you give me examples of second tier fighters doing that to Stu instead of just speculating?
Hard considering Stu hasn't appeared much. One time he was as you say slugging it out with Herc, Iceman etc then the next he gets slammed into a brick wall by Frank Castle. :/
Most of what we do here is speculate based on feats since most matchups happen between characters who never ever meet.
Based on their feats guys like Nightwing, Moonknight, Silver Samurai etc could easily do that.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
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None of that even makes sense now you're looking for anything no matter how remote. Anyway Stu looked like he would have possibly beat Punisher in the end based on that he would still probably beat BW.
No it makes perfect sense. Any one can see a guy has not been written as strong as he was before when as you say he can take it to Hercules and Iceman among others then a while later he gets slapped around by the Punisher.
Characters can fluctuate all the time in comics. Everybody knows that.
Sorry for late reply. Been too busy to get distracted with internet forums as I've been having to revise for my exams.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
oh I do.just in his spine and unlike Logans it can be knocked out of place, plus he never had good damage soak.
he was toying with him the entire fight. He never got out fought. He got cocky and punisher damage soak won him the fight. He did not out fight bull eye in terms of MA skill.
damage soak is entirely usable for rankings in an MA fight just as much as someone winning a fight because they were faster or stronger.
Id like to re-nominate Kingpin to second. If someone from Marvel had to get bumped down to 3rd in his place, id Say Red Skull or White Tiger(she hasnt been in hardly any fights nor have the experience, but she does have the skill).
Les take a look at Fisk's victory list. Hes already DEFEATED......
1. Red Skull
2. Spider-Man
3. Daredevil
4. Cap
5. Punisher
Hes bested a Sabertooth-like foe.
Hes also stalemated Batman.
I vote Fisk to me moved up.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Id like to re-nominate Kingpin to second. If someone from Marvel had to get bumped down to 3rd in his place, id Say Red Skull or White Tiger(she hasnt been in hardly any fights nor have the experience, but she does have the skill).Les take a look at Fisk's victory list. Hes already DEFEATED......
1. Red Skull
2. Spider-Man
3. Daredevil
4. Cap
5. PunisherHes bested a Sabertooth-like foe.
Hes also stalemated Batman.I vote Fisk to me moved up.
PIS - Spider-man has pwnt him in 1 panel before, Kingpin is no chump, but him owning any of the above (with the slight exception of Punisher) including Batman, is nothing short of absolutley retarded story writing.
Against KP moving to tier 2.
Originally posted by Juk3n
PIS - Spider-man has pwnt him in 1 panel before, Kingpin is no chump, but him owning any of the above (with the slight exception of Punisher) including Batman, is nothing short of absolutley retarded story writing.Against KP moving to tier 2.
When KP first came out, he was a beast. Over the years the writers tonned him down. With that said, it still doesnt take away from the fact that thats whats KP did. I wouldnt call it retarded story writing that KP beat some of those ppl. Hell most of the time ppl fight KP, they underestimate him by appearance alone. Kingpin is a highly trained combatant.
I dont see why you would be against him moving up, when someone like White Tiger is there who have hardly any feats or fights to put here up there. Same for Red Skull.