Ranks for MAs

Originally posted by Warrior18
A high third in my opinion. He obviously knows what he is doing and it is his styled weapon of choice.

I simply haven't seen his skill matched favourably against a very high rate swordsman for me to put him in the tier just below top.

But I can see it's pointless to argue with some people and your view will never change so whatever floats your boat.

Originally posted by Warrior18
I'm genuinely not trying to be and arsehole but......................let's also see Blade using H2H and doing well against a top tier.

Both these guys suffer from the same problem.

It doesnt neccesarily have to be somebody who has martial art skill but a formidable superhuman opponent.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
It doesnt neccesarily have to be somebody who has martial art skill but a formidable superhuman opponent.

True. Going against superhumans shows skill. Guess it's just how much skill is required that we disagree on.

If Blade took on Iron Man for example and shredded his armour and beat him bare handed then I would say this is easily elite level skill.

I just don't think him taking on Morbious,Deacon Frost etc is anything above the tier I think he is in. Meh.

Sensei to top tier. 😠

Originally posted by Warrior18
Sensei to top tier. 😠

i agree here, here!! what about the mandarin who beat tony senseless in his armor bare handed?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i agree here, here!! what about the mandarin who beat tony senseless in his armor bare handed?

I think the Mandarin is already up there. Uber tier I believe.

And now apparently its HOW the person is the victor. You could beat all the tip MA's in the business, but if you only use grabs and brute force, youre ranked tier 3 and lower.😬

We need to determine if these rankings only apply to KNOWLEDGE and SKILL instead of both that and the ability to be most effective aka fighting ability. Sniff. I smell a double standard.

Originally posted by jrodslam
And now apparently its HOW the person is the victor. You could beat all the tip MA's in the business, but if you only use grabs and brute force, youre ranked tier 3 and lower.😬

We need to determine if these rankings only apply to KNOWLEDGE and SKILL instead of both that and the ability to be most effective aka fighting ability. Sniff. I smell a double standard.

Originally posted by jrodslam
And now apparently its HOW the person is the victor. You could beat all the tip MA's in the business, but if you only use grabs and brute force, youre ranked tier 3 and lower.😬

We need to determine if these rankings only apply to KNOWLEDGE and SKILL instead of both that and the ability to be most effective aka fighting ability. Sniff. I smell a double standard.

I think they disagree with King Pin because I think he was essentially a guy strong/fast enough to physically manhandle the likes of Spiderman.

Thus his ability was more about sheer physicality as opposed to pure skill.

I'm not agreeing/disagreeing with you or them though. Don't really know enough about KP.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Well in the real world skill only gets you so far. How many kung-fu masters do you see walking around with a UFC title belt? Let's face it when it comes down to it it's not what you know it's just how effective you are.

I totally agree. I just think this list needs to be more clear on its rankings. Are we purely ranking on known skill and ability or that as well as effectiveness?

We have people with the skill, but theve hardly been in fights against formidable opponents to show how effective they actually are in a fight. Thats all im saying. Things just needs to be more clear. Like does your effectiveness with weapons count towards your MA skill as well?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Like does your effectiveness with weapons count towards your MA skill as well?

It should do but I guess it doesn't in this thread. 🙁

Originally posted by Warrior18
I think they disagree with King Pin because I think he was essentially a guy strong/fast enough to physically manhandle the likes of Spiderman.

Thus his ability was more about sheer physicality as opposed to pure skill.

Yes, he was essentially that, however through the years, hes shown more than being just a guy with only power. He may not be as technical, but hes effective in the style he uses.

If we're only ranking in amount of styles/skill known, then id understand his ranking where it stands, but what i dont get are ppl who show the same amount or less, but are ranked higher.

Originally posted by Warrior18
True. Going against superhumans shows skill. Guess it's just how much skill is required that we disagree on.

If Blade took on Iron Man for example and shredded his armour and beat him bare handed then I would say this is easily elite level skill.

I just don't think him taking on Morbious,Deacon Frost etc is anything above the tier I think he is in. Meh.

The evidence in comics contradicts what you think. Morbius is able to give Spiderman a decent fight and you usually have to be top tier to handle Spiderman.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The evidence in comics contradicts what you think. Morbius is able to give Spiderman a decent fight and you usually have to be top tier to handle Spiderman.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Do you have any of the Spider-Man/Morbius fights? Morby seems to hold his own rather well against Spidey.

Im afraid not. I might be able to give you one issue, its one hell of a fight and Morbius shows some very impressive speed.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im afraid not. I might be able to give you one issue, its one hell of a fight and Morbius shows some very impressive speed.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
What issue?

Im trying to get hold of it......

The one im thinking of is Spectcular Spiderman issue 14 2004

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im trying to get hold of it......

The one im thinking of is Spectcular Spiderman issue 14 2004

Oh well, how he dodged Spidermans webbing was very impressive, alot of street levelers get caught out with that. Also I dont think Spdierman holds back like he does with human street levelers.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The evidence in comics contradicts what you think. Morbius is able to give Spiderman a decent fight and you usually have to be top tier to handle Spiderman.