Ranks for MAs

Then prove he isn't.

Iron Fist fought Deadpool once, properly, and it was even. That's a fact.

Danny Rand as Daredevil did not "kick" his ass, he threw the billy club at him when he wasn't looking.

If you haven't got anything beyond that, which you haven't, then stop with the nonsense claims. From what we've seen, he fought Iron Fist evenly, fact. Either you haven't read the comic or you don't know Deadpool.

If Taskmaster is top tier, which he is, then so is Deadpool. If Iron Fist is, so is Deadpool. It doesn't matter if Deadpool couldn't have beaten Iron Fist, which we don't know, because he's proven he can match him.

-AC

How did Iron Fist "whoop" his ass?

I do have to see the rationale behind this.

Are you talking Cable & Deadpool #21? Because Iron Fist and Deadpool got as many blows in on each other, and Deadpool matched him.

Granted, it didn't last for a while, but that's beneficial to Iron Fist. The longer it goes on, the better for 'Pool.

If you're referring to the Civil War tie-ins, he pretty much fought a number of Marvel's best hand to hand combatants, and he wasn't getting whooped. The fight didn't finish. Well, it ended when Cable showed up.

So please, do explain.

-AC

Civil War DareDanny

And you're gonna tell me he's not worthy of being in the top tier? I recall why I left the forum now; none of you know what you're on about.

Many of us would crush you in a comic debate.

and we all know what he did to Bullseye.

And we all know what BE did to him before that.

Taskmaster is considered top tier according to this thread, and he has admitted that Deadpool beat him hands down. Deadpool thought Task let him win, but Taskmaster assured Deadpool that he didn't.

So if Taskmaster is top tier, Deadpool is top tier.

He couldn't beat DP because of his unpredictability. Task couldn't predict his moves in that one fight. That is Tasky's main power, the replication of reflexes whihc allows him to predict your next move.

Also beating a top tier character doesn't necessarily put you in their category. If that was the case then Batman would be a lot higher than he is on the power list.

If Taskmaster is top tier, which he is, then so is Deadpool. If Iron Fist is, so is Deadpool. It doesn't matter if Deadpool couldn't have beaten Iron Fist, which we don't know, because he's proven he can match him.

Cain can beat Thor and match Thanos but that doesn't make him high herald or sub-skyfather.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Then prove he isn't.

Iron Fist fought Deadpool once, properly, and it was even. That's a fact.

Danny Rand as Daredevil did not "kick" his ass, he threw the billy club at him when he wasn't looking.

If you haven't got anything beyond that, which you haven't, then stop with the nonsense claims. From what we've seen, he fought Iron Fist evenly, fact. Either you haven't read the comic or you don't know Deadpool.

If Taskmaster is top tier, which he is, then so is Deadpool. If Iron Fist is, so is Deadpool. It doesn't matter if Deadpool couldn't have beaten Iron Fist, which we don't know, because he's proven he can match him.

-AC

Deadpool never beat Taskmaster due to fighting skill...

First fight, Tasky shot him in the face, 2nd fight DP won via being insanely unpredictable and dancing, his enhanced strength allowing him to KO Tasky, the handcuffed fight, DP had a rocket launcher and weaponry, and still got stabbed through the chest, which would of killed him if not for his HF.

And a fight longer than a few panels with Iron fist that's pure MA would end with Deadpool beaten.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Civil War DareDanny

He threw his billy club at him when he wasn't looking. Kicked his ass?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Many of us would crush you in a comic debate.

Hahahahahaha. Do you even know who I am? I've been reading comics since you were a kid.

You couldn't crush a berry in a fruitfight.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
And we all know what BE did to him before that.

Stellar logic.

"Bullseye did great in a fight, but Deadpool did better and won. Ignore that, though.".

It doesn't matter what Bullseye did before, because he's dead, and Deadpool killed him in a fight, by fighting him. He has beat him before and he beat him again.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
He couldn't beat DP because of his unpredictability. Task couldn't predict his moves in that one fight. That is Tasky's main power, the replication of reflexes whihc allows him to predict your next move.

I know what his main power is, junior, but I'll explain why this argument fails soon enough.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Also beating a top tier character doesn't necessarily put you in their category. If that was the case then Batman would be a lot higher than he is on the power list.

So then, if Taskmaster's power lies in his ability to replicate fighting styles of OTHER people, why is he in the top tier? That's like taking credit for other peoples' homework.

Even before he lost the first fight, he commented that 'Pool's fighting skill was unlike anything he'd ever seen. People have opted to pay him off rather than fighting the guy.

Don't get me wrong, Deadpool being in the tier below top is no small feat. The reason I question it is because you put Taskmaster on there, and Deadpool beat him in a fight, by fighting.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Why would i need to prove anything im content with where he is you need to prove he needs to be ranked up.

Then take Taskmaster down a tier or move Deadpool up one. Simple as.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Deadpool never beat Taskmaster due to fighting skill...

Uhh...yes he did. Being insanely unpredictable and as a result, kicked his ass...with fighting skill.

Originally posted by iceman24567
First fight, Tasky shot him in the face, 2nd fight DP won via being insanely unpredictable and dancing, his enhanced strength allowing him to KO Tasky, the handcuffed fight, DP had a rocket launcher and weaponry, and still got stabbed through the chest, which would of killed him if not for his HF.

Is that how people still debate here?

"Tasky would have won and it would have killed Deadpool were it not for his healing.".

Yeah, and Superman could be stabbed by a mugger...if it wasn't for the fact that he's Superman. What logic is that?

He has the healing factor, so Tasky couldn't beat him in hand-to-hand combat. Even while mimicing and mastering his techniques, he even noted which way Deadpool always dodges and still failed to beat the man.

Point is, if Tasky is top tier, Deadpool is. If not, move Tasky down.

Secondly, what are we basing Tasky's top tier status on? He is as good as whoever he mimics. What if he mimiced May Parker? Exactly.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
And a fight longer than a few panels with Iron fist that's pure MA would end with Deadpool beaten.

When and if that ever happens, I'll come back and agree.

It hasn't, so you are speculating based on nothing. They fought, it was to a standstill, that's a fact. That's all we have. Don't make shit up to suit your argument.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

It doesn't matter what Bullseye did before, because he's dead, and Deadpool killed him in a fight, by fighting him. He has beat him before and he beat him again.

-AC [/B]

umm Bullseye is in multiple other books. and looks as if he'll be in dark reign till the end.

so did they confirm in deadpools book that he doesn't get back up or saved

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

He threw his billy club at him when he wasn't looking. Kicked his ass?

Hahahahahaha. Do you even know who I am? I've been reading comics since you were a kid.

You couldn't crush a berry in a fruitfight.

Stellar logic.

"Bullseye did great in a fight, but Deadpool did better and won. Ignore that, though.".

It doesn't matter what Bullseye did before, because he's dead, and Deadpool killed him in a fight, by fighting him. He has beat him before and he beat him again.

I know what his main power is, junior, but I'll explain why this argument fails soon enough.

So then, if Taskmaster's power lies in his ability to replicate fighting styles of OTHER people, why is he in the top tier? That's like taking credit for other peoples' homework.

Even before he lost the first fight, he commented that 'Pool's fighting skill was unlike anything he'd ever seen. People have opted to pay him off rather than fighting the guy.

Don't get me wrong, Deadpool being in the tier below top is no small feat. The reason I question it is because you put Taskmaster on there, and Deadpool beat him in a fight, by fighting.

Then take Taskmaster down a tier or move Deadpool up one. Simple as.

Uhh...yes he did. Being insanely unpredictable and as a result, kicked his ass...with fighting skill.

Is that how people still debate here?

"Tasky would have won and it would have killed Deadpool were it not for his healing.".

Yeah, and Superman could be stabbed by a mugger...if it wasn't for the fact that he's Superman. What logic is that?

He has the healing factor, so Tasky couldn't beat him in hand-to-hand combat. Even while mimicing and mastering his techniques, he even noted which way Deadpool always dodges and still failed to beat the man.

Point is, if Tasky is top tier, Deadpool is. If not, move Tasky down.

Secondly, what are we basing Tasky's top tier status on? He is as good as whoever he mimics. What if he mimiced May Parker? Exactly.

When and if that ever happens, I'll come back and agree.

It hasn't, so you are speculating based on nothing. They fought, it was to a standstill, that's a fact. That's all we have. Don't make shit up to suit your argument.

-AC [/B]

He threw his billy club at him when he wasn't looking. Kicked his ass?

He had the advantage that entire fight IIRC, all DP did was tape an ipod nano to his back and called it a bomb.

Hahahahahaha. Do you even know who I am? I've been reading comics since you were a kid.

You couldn't crush a berry in a fruitfight.

Considering your birthday is stated 2 years and 4 days before mine I believe it's safe to say that I've been reading comics since you were a kid as well.

It doesn't matter what Bullseye did before, because he's dead, and Deadpool killed him in a fight, by fighting him. He has beat him before and he beat him again.

Where is it stated that Bullseye is dead? He's still in a few ongoing books. That issue didn't even state that he died. You're just assuming and your assumption is wrong.

So then, if Taskmaster's power lies in his ability to replicate fighting styles of OTHER people, why is he in the top tier? That's like taking credit for other peoples' homework.

Even before he lost the first fight, he commented that 'Pool's fighting skill was unlike anything he'd ever seen. People have opted to pay him off rather than fighting the guy.

Don't get me wrong, Deadpool being in the tier below top is no small feat. The reason I question it is because you put Taskmaster on there, and Deadpool beat him in a fight, by fighting.

Yeah that's because Tasky never saw someone fight dance around like an idiot while fighting. So that's why he said he's never seen anything like that.

Once again simply beating someone a tier above you does not put you on their tier otherwise Batman would be like Herald level and Black Panther would be sub-skyfather.

Don't make shit up to suit your argument.

You made DP killing BE up.

Originally posted by jalek moye
umm Bullseye is in multiple other books. and looks as if he'll be in dark reign till the end.

so did they confirm in deadpools book that he doesn't get back up or saved

It was heavily suggested and implied.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Stop mixing my posts up it makes you look retarded

It was a simple copy/paste error, if that's all you have left, sadness.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
He had the advantage that entire fight IIRC, all DP did was tape an ipod nano to his back and called it a bomb.

You do not recall correctly, because it wasn't a fight. He threw his billy club at him, they locked weapons a few times and Daredanny backflipped away. He might have got in like, one knee strike. It wasn't him "kicking" his ass, and we've already seen Iron Fist and Deadpool fight what small fight it was, to a standstill. In fact, it was an exact replica of their previous fight, because Deadpool said "Hey! Deja vu!". The only reason it didn't continue was because Deadpool had quite a few other people in the room trying to kill him. When he fought Iron Fist, it was him and Cable Vs Luke Cage and Iron Fist. One Vs one each.

I actually have the comic directly next to me, so if it's scans you want, or pics you want, just give me a day to charge my camera.

As for your age, act it and I won't assume you're a child. "Many of us could crush you.", do you even know who I am? Go ask Raoul, and he'll tell you who I am, and how I more or less used to run this place before it became overflown with retards who think they know comics.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Where is it stated that Bullseye is dead? He's still in a few ongoing books. That issue didn't even state that he died. You're just assuming and your assumption is wrong.

Let's assume I'm wrong, fine.

What does it prove? Nothing. Bullseye has been beaten by Deadpool multiple times, that time included. He's never been better than 'Pool overall.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Yeah that's because Tasky never saw someone fight dance around like an idiot while fighting. So that's why he said he's never seen anything like that.

No, he didn't. He was remarking on Deadpool's ability to effortlessly dispatch enemies while chatting away.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Once again simply beating someone a tier above you does not put you on their tier otherwise Batman would be like Herald level and Black Panther would be sub-skyfather.

So then why is Taskmaster in the top tier? Especially if his ability to mimic fighting styles doesn't even guarantee him beating the guy he's mimicing. It's hardly a useful trait then, is it?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
You made DP killing BE up.

It was heavily implied in that comic that he was fatally wounded. An incorrect assumption though it may have been, it was a safe one to anyone who saw it.

You are basing YOURS on nothing, literally nothing. They fought to a standstill and you are just assuming Iron Fist would have won, based on NOTHING.

I assumed Bullseye was dead based on being overcome in battle and having a meat hook put through his chest.

Who has the better ground? Exactly.

Jog on.

-AC

So then why is Taskmaster in the top tier? Especially if his ability to mimic fighting styles doesn't even guarantee him beating the guy he's mimicing. It's hardly a useful trait then, is it?

B/c he's consistently shown to be at that level-

Beating Elektra with his eyes closed, having the advantage over Cap + Iron Man, stalemating Daredevil when all he was doing was mimicking his every move, replicating the fighting styles of many individuals.

And he has many other feats too.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
B/c he's consistently shown to be at that level-

Beating Elektra with his eyes closed, having the advantage over Cap + Iron Man, stalemating Daredevil when all he was doing was mimicking his every move, replicating the fighting styles of many individuals.

And he has many other feats too.

...and yet, Deadpool beat him by fighting him.

So again, why is he lower than Taskmaster?

It's as I said, just like taking credit when you copied someone's homework.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

It was a simple copy/paste error, if that's all you have left, sadness

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
...and yet, Deadpool beat him by fighting him.

So again, why is he lower than Taskmaster?

It's as I said, just like taking credit when you copied someone's homework.

-AC

a>b
b>c

doesn't mean a>c

And besides
Deadpool has beaten him, but in this tiering we only use skill, not superhuman powers. w/o his powers DP would be dead from fighting Taskmaster.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
a>b
b>c

doesn't mean a>c

And besides
Deadpool has beaten him, but in this tiering we only use skill, not superhuman powers. w/o his powers DP would be dead from fighting Taskmaster.

Ahh, I think there's been a misunderstanding here.

I thought this was just about the best overall fight combatants, barring any extraordinary powers. Not specific, specialist hand to hand skill. My apologies to all if that's the case.

If that is the case, then whilst Deadpool is a truly formidable martial artist in Marvel, I agree that it's not at the level of others like Shang Chi or what have you. However, without using chi or such, Iron Fist was equalled by Deadpool, regardless of how short it was. Deadpool has shown that the longer a fight lasts, the better a shot he has. Overall, he is one of the most fearsome opponents on a fight to fight basis.

I still do not believe Taskmaster is better, simply because Deadpool has out fought him, he's never had his "ass kicked" by Danny Rand ever either. So whilst I believe there are people in the top tier that he can equal or beat, I suppose it's acceptable that he's not there on other criteria.

I still don't see why Taskmaster is.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

I still do not believe Taskmaster is better, simply because Deadpool has out fought him,

From what I remember DP beat Taskmaster by going 'crazy'. He didnt really beat him via MA skill but by fighting in a crazy fashion I would think that DP's insanity is what really enabled him to do this not his MA skill.

What's all this "from what I remember"?

I have the comics next to me.

He beat him with his fists and feet, by fighting skill. Doesn't matter if he was distracted. That's just saying you can take away Daredevil's senses.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What's all this "from what I remember"?

Well if you remember things wrong you never know you might flip out and starting telling me im full of shit, so just being careful there.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

I have the comics next to me.

He beat him with his fists and feet, by fighting skill. Doesn't matter if he was distracted. That's just saying you can take away Daredevil's senses.

-AC

I didnt say he was distracted my point was that DP was so insane that taskmaster couldnt read his style. Taskmaster said he couldnt read his technique but what was really going on was that DP was using his insane genuis not his MA skill. This is why DP was saying thing like the flying-foot of the Chicken or the punch of Lionel Ritchie, those are not techniques or styles thats some shit he just made up.

To prove my point further if you look at DP his insanity helps to give him inspiration, just look at his recent fight with Bullseye he had a voice in his head giving him ideas and thats similar to what happened with Taskmaster. Its not something Cap or DD could do because they're not crazy. It doesn't make him better than Taskmaster he just has a silver bullet for Taskmasters style.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, but dodging them and beating them across the room signifies a whoop-piece. I'd says so.

No, not really. Don't include Hercules' name if Deadpool didn't do anything of significance to him. You don't think that Spidey could jump in and dodge some attacks? This does not equate to martial arts skills in the least. Especially not the way he was dodging either. Maybe if Deadpool had actually parried and properly blocked attacks, it would've worked.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well if you remember things wrong you never know you might flip out and starting telling me im full of shit, so just being careful there.

I didnt say he was distracted my point was that DP was so insane that taskmaster couldnt read his style. Taskmaster said he couldnt read his technique but what was really going on was that DP was using his insane genuis not his MA skill. This is why DP was saying thing like the flying-foot of the Chicken or the punch of Lionel Ritchie, those are not techniques or styles thats some shit he just made up.

To prove my point further if you look at DP his insanity helps to give him inspiration, just look at his recent fight with Bullseye he had a voice in his head giving him ideas and thats similar to what happened with Taskmaster. Its not something Cap or DD could do because they're not crazy. It doesn't make him better than Taskmaster he just has a silver bullet for Taskmasters style.

All this amounts to is: "Deadpool has the edge over Taskmaster, but he's not better.".

Obviously, this makes as much sense as a solar powered flashlight.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Maybe if Deadpool had actually parried and properly blocked attacks, it would've worked.

1) He hit Hercules.

2) Block and parry attacks? Like he did against Iron Fist in Cable & Deadpool issue #21 which none of you have read or remember correctly?

-AC