Originally posted by Soljer
Exactly. There are individual martial arts within the school. Ninjitsu is very, very often confused with Taijitsu.Anyways....On a semi-somewhat-kinda related note...should we include weapons skill in these tierings? Or only empty handed skill?
As long as we include their hand to hand skill then I am up for counting the weapon ability on the list.
Originally posted by Switch 07I for one would love Jubilee to be moved up a tier based on her being olympic level with gymnastics with which she embarressed the hand, Genoshin soldiers and Shi'ar royal guard which may or may not have been skrulls. Plus the stunt with her fighting off the blind assassin in tokyo...
Lets be honest. I just think anyone is being biased with certain characters being on the list.Theres no denying it, whether we realize it or not.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I for one would love Jubilee to be moved up a tier based on her being olympic level with gymnastics with which she embarressed the hand, Genoshin soldiers and Shi'ar royal guard which may or may not have been skrulls. Plus the stunt with her fighting off the blind assassin in tokyo...
I don't know anything about her really so Its up to you and some others to decide.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I for one would love Jubilee to be moved up a tier based on her being olympic level with gymnastics with which she embarressed the hand, Genoshin soldiers and Shi'ar royal guard which may or may not have been skrulls. Plus the stunt with her fighting off the blind assassin in tokyo...
oplympic level gymnastics would be her abilties not skill.
ma skill would be different.
though she was personally trained by a top tier fighter
Originally posted by Battlehammer
oplympic level gymnastics would be her abilties not skill.ma skill would be different.
though she was personally trained by a top tier fighter
Originally posted by Switch 07I was thinking maybe the name of this should be fighting ability not MA skill because not everyone knows a MA but is still an awesome fighter.
Originally posted by Switch 07
second again that would not be fighting skill it be personal ability.
fighting skill and MA prowess is when some one is at equal level physically and the superior skilled fighter comes out on top.
...........so even if your change too place it would not change my arguement.
Originally posted by BattlehammerNo but its how they use theyre fighting skill.
.........again it has not been changed.second again that would not be fighting skill it be personal ability.
fighting skill and MA prowess is when some one is at equal level physically and the superior skilled fighter comes out on top.
...........so even if your change too place it would not change my arguement.
What style does DD have? Pretty much none.
I am not trying to change the whole list just trying to take into consideration of peoples abilities at H2H without knowing a crazy MA.
Current Hierarchy [177]
Cosmic Tier: (Transcendent Martial Artists) [4]
Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Thanos
Uber Tier: (Unearthly Martial Artists) [7]
Kirigi (DC), Mandarin, Moondragon, O-Sensei, Ogun, Stick, Temugin
Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉 [18]
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Black Canary, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, Taskmaster, Wolverine
Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists) [54]
Adam Warlock, Agent X, Azrael, Backlash, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Captain Mar-Vell, Champion of the Universe, Cheshire, Crossbones, Daken, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Echo, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon (Tomi Shishido), Green Arrow, Grifter, Jason Blood, Judomaster (Hadley Jagger), Karnak, Lady Deathstrike, Leonardo, Magnus, Merlyn (DC), Michaelangelo, Midnight Sun, Mr Sensitive, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Steel Serpent, Stone, Talia al Ghul, Twelve Brothers in Silk, White Tiger (Angela del Toro), Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23, Zealot
Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists) [58]
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Black Bolt, Black Knight (Dane Whitman), Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Colleen Wing, Damian Wayne, Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Domino, Donna Troy, Drax, Duke(GI Joe), Grendel (Hunter Rose), Hawkeye, Hawkman, Heavy Duty(GI Joe), Hercules, Huntress, Katana, KGBeast, Kingpin, Lady Vic, Loki, Matsu'o Tsurayaba, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Namor, Night Thrasher, Nightcrawler, Omega Red, Onyx, Psylocke, Punisher, The Question, Revanche, Robin (Tim Drake), Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shatterstar, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew), Stacy X, Terry McGinnis, Thena, Thor, US Agent, V, Viper (Madame Hydra), Wild Child, Wong
Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artists) [27]
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Batwoman, Beast, Black Cat, Blink, Blue Devil, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Carol Danvers, Catwoman, Colossus, Cyclops, Falcon, Gambit, Hawkgirl, Iron-Man, Jamie Madrox, Jubilee, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Superman, Tarantula, Thing, Zauriel
Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill) [9]
Apocalypse, Grace Choi, Hulk, Invisible Woman, Iron Man, Luke Cage, Monet St. Croix, Spider-Man, Strong Guy
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Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)
Mystique to Third: 2 [Smurph, Llag] / 1 [Srank]
Domino to Second: 2 [Smurph, jrodslam] / 1 [srank]
Ares to second tier: 2 [TP, llagrok] / 1 [capt]
Mar-Vell to uber: 2 [bran, llag] / 1 [srank]
Warlock to uber: 2 [bran, ll] / 1 [srank]
Mantis down to uber: 4 [Soljer, Xmarks, Srank, llag] / 2 [bran, Smurph]
Kingpin to second: 3 [jrod, srank, capt] / 2 [llag, Macoy]
Thanos to Uber(lower?): 3 [srank, Soljer, llag] / 0
Hawkman to second: 2 [mungi, llag] / 0
Zealot to top tier: 2 [Srank, Switch] / 0
Hercules to second: 2 [llag, Switch, Trickster] / 1 [Capt]
Cable to third: 2 [llag, Switch, Trickster] / 2 [Soljer, Capt]
Duke to second: 1 [capt] / 0
Heavy Duty to second: 1 [capt] / 0
Wildcat to third: 1 [Switch] / 3 [capt?, Trickster, Soljer]
Jubilee to third 1 [Cresh] / 0
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Additions:
Duke - Third Tier
Heavy Duty - Third Tier
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Notes:
-We have two 'non marvel/dc top tier' spots open. Feel free to make nominations, or vote for Zealot or any other character that is neither marvel nor DC to fill these two spots.
-GI Joe - leave 'em or remove 'em?
-I didn't add the proposed change for warlock, no one was specified for him to replace. Nor did I put in the proposed change for Deadpool for Trick - no one was specified to replace.
-Beast and Ironman moved.
-If you feel a character should be moved up or down, please do me the favor of actually stating such, so that I do not have to guess intentions. For example, Capt mentioning "Jubilee has been trained by a top tier fighter" may imply he supports the move, but it's hard to tell.
-Assuming that no opposition is presented, Thanos will move down to Uber next update.
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Originally posted by Switch 07
No but its how they use theyre fighting skill.What style does DD have? Pretty much none.
I am not trying to change the whole list just trying to take into consideration of peoples abilities at H2H without knowing a crazy MA.
becyase gymnastic abilities is still not fighting skills.
DD created his own styles using a mixture of other MA styles he mastered............that was an awful example to use man lol.
yes and we have been doing that. for one black panther uses mimicry of animals other then MA styles and he in the second tier spot.
Originally posted by BattlehammerIf they put it into how they fight and win then yes its fighting ability if its how they fight.
again thats does not change my arguement.becyase gymnastic abilities is still not fighting skills.
DD created his own styles using a mixture of other MA styles he mastered............that was an awful example to use man lol.
yes and we have been doing that. for one black panther uses mimicry of animals other then MA styles and he in the second tier spot.
Originally posted by Switch 07
If they put it into how they fight and win then yes its fighting ability if its how they fight.
............that rediculous if that was the case.............flash uses super speed when he fights so he must be uber skilled beyond reason.
sorry it does not work.
fighting skill is how good you fight skill wise not your other abilties
Originally posted by BattlehammerFlash using his powers is completely different.
............that rediculous if that was the case.............flash uses super speed when he fights so he must be uber skilled beyond reason.sorry it does not work.
fighting skill is how good you fight skill wise not your other abilties
How is using super speed the same as putting your acrobatic abilities into your fighting style??
Originally posted by Switch 07
Flash using his powers is completely different'How is using super speed the same as putting your acrobatic abilities into your fighting style??
instead of putting acrobatics into his fighting he puts speed.
or herc puts strength, durbaility.
in the end it them using there other abilites to gain advantages.
not how good they are at fighting
Against Deathverine
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Against Jobapocalypse (c'mon it's his destiny to own Apoc)
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EDIT, Cable also had a fight with Wolverine in New Mutants 93# or 94#. It was pretty even, and the fight was broken before conclusion.
EDIT2. Cable stays in 2 IMO.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I guess technically you could argue against the "origins" argument in the following manner.Just because they were not originally something dies not mean they are not that now. Emma frost was originally a bad guy, but she's not considered to be one now, same with rogue. Even nintendo would not be a video game company by the argument of what they started off. as they started off making hanfuda cards.
So G.I. Joe and transformers might have started off as toys but that does not mean they don't make comics. Nintendo might have started off as hanfuda cards, but that does not man that they do not make video games. But then the question becomes of how long would they have to have been doing it in order to be counted as a comic book?
Buffy's comics have been around since 1998 that's nearly 10 years.
The forgotten realms comics were first published in 1989, that's 18 years That's only 5 less years than the transformers comics.So what's the cut off date? 20 years? 30? 40?
The Forgotten Realms comic that DC published in 89 was only around for three years and only had 25 or 26 issues published... do we count 12-13 year void where no comics were published in their favour?
Anyway both Transformers and G.I. Joe have 100s of issues published. They are both successful comic book francises... is Forgotten Realms? No, not yet at least.
