Originally posted by Daredevil1
Issue title/number?That could also mean DD must learn on his own now for self development. Its not like DD learned how to turn his body into stone like the chaste hand member or learn the abilities of Electra. Could be a number of reasons.
Or maybe Stick thought DD couldn't have learned the rest of the techniques.
Thats what I was thinking. "I dont have any more to teach you" doesnt neccesarily mean that your student is now better than you.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Issue title/number?That could also mean DD must learn on his own now for self development. Its not like DD learned how to turn his body into stone like the chaste hand member or learn the abilities of Electra. Could be a number of reasons.
Or maybe Stick thought DD couldn't have learned the rest of the techniques.
I was told Stick easily played with DD and Electra in duel matches. I'll see if I can get the issues later on.
some one already gave you the scann the first time you asked for it.
go look back a few pages and find it.
or it could be DD had reach a level of skill stick could no longer rightfully teach.
what has stick done to even suggest he more skilled then a top tier? Nothing.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
it does implie they are now of a level of skill you can no longer teach. So even if stcik was slightly better he would no longer be.
It probably implies like D1 said that he would have to find out stuff for himself. Its not that Stick doesnt know more stuff, he just cant teach it to him.
Didnt Stick in conjucnction with Shaft drain the energy out of a ninja?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)
Cable to third: 4 [V, jrod, llag, Trickster] / 5 [Smurph, MM, Soljer, Capt, Accel]
Duke to second: 1 [capt] / 1 [llag]
Heavy Duty to second: 1 [capt] / 1 [llag]
Hercules to second: 4 [V, llag, Trickster, MM] / 5 [Soljer, FM, Smurph, Capt, Accel]
Jubilee to third 2 [Smurph, Cresh] / 1 [llag]
Kingpin to second: 5 [V, jrod, srank, capt, Accel] / 4 [Soljer, llag, Macoy, Smurph]
Mantis down to uber: 4 [DD1, Srank, llag, Accel] / 5[bran, Smurph, dg, MM, Soljer]
Warlock to uber: 5 [Soljer V, Smurph, bran, ll] / 2 [srank, Accel]
Stick to replace Taskmaster: 1 [capt] / 1 [Soljer]
Stick to replace Shen Kuei: 1 [capt] / 1 [Soljer]
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Cable stays Second.
Jubilee not to third.
Kingpin not to Second
Mantis stays.
Stick NOT to replace taskmaster
Stick NOT to replace Shen Kuei
One thing that really sticks out to me is Deadpool being below both Wolverine and Taskmaster, both of which he has shown to be at least on equal footing with. I'll admit I haven't picked up a comic book since Cable Deadpool 42, but I highly doubt much has changed.
Originally posted by Nataku8188
Cable stays Second.
Jubilee not to third.
Kingpin not to Second
Mantis stays.
Stick NOT to replace taskmaster
Stick NOT to replace Shen KueiOne thing that really sticks out to me is Deadpool being below both Wolverine and Taskmaster, both of which he has shown to be at least on equal footing with. I'll admit I haven't picked up a comic book since Cable Deadpool 42, but I highly doubt much has changed.
No really. I mean Deadpool never out fights wolverine. Almost any encounter between the two Deadpool has one sided prep and logan still is out fighting him.
Originally posted by Alfheim
It probably implies like D1 said that he would have to find out stuff for himself. Its not that Stick doesnt know more stuff, he just cant teach it to him.Didnt Stick in conjucnction with Shaft drain the energy out of a ninja?
no idea nor would that be fighting skill.
what has stick done that put him above the lieks of DD and so forth.
NB I'm abstaining from both those votes.
However from close inspection of the scan that jrod posted:
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/6232/daredevil350paradiso023xv5.jpg
Stick's stated reasoning for no longer mentoring Matt:
"And maybe it's time for me to move on. You got your teacher on the inside now. From here on in, you're on your own."
Seems more about Daredevil "finding himself" figuratively and now being capable of relying on the "teacher on the inside" for his future growth, rather than Stick believing he has been surpassed per se.
I.e. the most important lesson Stick may have wanted to impart on Matt may not have been a lesson of martial skill; but this doesn't necessarily equate to there being no more lessons of skill (privy to Stick and not Matt) to impart.
At the same time, it would be nice to have some of Stick's skill relayed in this thread to justify his current placement.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
NB I'm abstaining from both those votes.However from close inspection of the scan that jrod posted:
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/6232/daredevil350paradiso023xv5.jpgStick's stated reasoning for no longer mentoring Matt:
"And maybe it's time for me to move on. You got your teacher on the inside now. From here on in, you're on your own."Seems more about Daredevil "finding himself" figuratively and now being capable of relying on the "teacher on the inside" for his future growth, rather than Stick believing he has been surpassed per se.
I.e. the most important lesson Stick may have wanted to impart on Matt may not have been a lesson of martial skill; but this doesn't necessarily equate to there being no more lessons of skill (privy to Stick and not Matt) to impart.
At the same time, it would be nice to have some of Stick's skill relayed in this thread to justify his current placement.
agreed.
I don't like the idea of some one beeing placed in uber if they do not deserve it.
If he does deserve it and some one can provide evidence why I am all for it.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
I doubt it. why could he not teach it to him? It seem to more implie that stick no longer could teach his pupil due to DD becomeing as skilled as him or close to it.no idea nor would that be fighting skill.
what has stick done that put him above the lieks of DD and so forth.
Well there you go.....but yeah id like to see some scans as well.
In terms of skill, i dont think theres anything more to teach DD. He purged Elektra and tried to ressurect her(although not a pro at it). Not all members of the Chaste have the same abilities. Stones special ability is different from sharfts and claws apparently. Shaft did help Stick do the life-force attack which semed to have killed them both.
Besides all that, martial arts wise, Stick hasnt showed anything to say hed beat DD or Elektra in h2h combat.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
No really. I mean Deadpool never out fights wolverine. Almost any encounter between the two Deadpool has one sided prep and logan still is out fighting him.
Yes, one sided prep that was used to what? What exactly has he done that made the fight SO one-sided that it wasn't his skill that beat Wolverine it was something else?
We all know you've got such a tight grip on Logan's sack that he's gettin' blueballs, but seriously, I've shown you up time and time again on the subject and you just will not let go. If you honestly want me to post ALL the scans again, I will, but honestly, please don't make me. It's a pain in the ass.
Also, everytime he's fought TM, TM had the prep and he still beat his ass, why is TM ahead of him?
Originally posted by Nataku8188
Yes, one sided prep that was used to what? What exactly has he done that made the fight SO one-sided that it wasn't his skill that beat Wolverine it was something else?
He beat wolverine who healing factor was on the frizts. and was out fought the entire fight.
Then there the fight DP was losing untill his used tranq disigned to over load Logans healing factor.
so what were you syaing about DP beating Logan trhough skill again?
I mean the only fight when niether had one sided prep or effected in another way ended in logan winning.
DP has never beaten Logan through skill. Logan either weaken or DP useless a plot device given to him by weapon x.
Originally posted by Nataku8188
We all know you've got such a tight grip on Logan's sack that he's gettin' blueballs, but seriously, I've shown you up time and time again on the subject and you just will not let go. If you honestly want me to post ALL the scans again, I will, but honestly, please don't make me. It's a pain in the ass.
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Originally posted by Martian_mind
Well,Dp was hardly fighting seriously.hell,he was hardly fighting..
............DP acts like that in every fight.
If anything Logan was the one who was not taking it serous. Hell Logan was not even aiming with fatel attacks if you notice the only time he stabb DP was in the shoulder every other time was a punch or kick.
DP on the other hand tried to shoot wolverine.............tried to blow him up..............tried to blow him up again with granades becuases Logan has him beat..............ya,but of coruse he was not trying he was only using lethal force while his opponet was not.
