Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
She is simply a woman 😱
Fast forward to here where she says she's not there YET. She's on her way though 😱
It's fits what we've said, "she will transcend......."
She's a 3-D goddess(human, x-man, and infinitely powerful) all at the same time.
She's a cool ass character 😎
💃
Originally posted by Rutog98
I'm not dodging anything. That crowd had no defense against telepathic attacks. Storm has been trained how to deal with them, she has an indomitable will (arguably the strongest on the planet) and she has that electrical field in her brain that impedes TP intrusion.
Hah... "(arguably) the strongest will on the planet". 😆
Magneto's will alone puts hers to shame.
And there's a BIG difference between resisting telepathic CONTROL and being attacked with a telepathic psi-blast.
If at any time, if any DECENT telepath wanted to do so, Storm would be dead/KOed/incapacitated.
Little known fact: Storm does not operate very well at all when all motor functions and thought processes are instantly eliminated.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Hah... "(arguably) the strongest will on the planet". 😆Magneto's will alone puts hers to shame.
And there's a BIG difference between resisting telepathic CONTROL and being attacked with a telepathic psi-blast.
If at any time, if any DECENT telepath wanted to do so, Storm would be dead/KOed/incapacitated.
Little known fact: Storm does not operate very well at all when all motor functions and thought processes are instantly eliminated.
Storm>>>>>Magneto in the wills department.
Psi blast doesn't work. Emma tried it in Schism.
Originally posted by 2damnloudFast forward to here where she says she's not there YET. She's on her way though 😱
It's fits what we've said, "she will transcend......."
She's a 3-D goddess(human, x-man, and infinitely powerful) all at the same time.
Read where she says she's not a God and that she only pretended to be one. 😎
Originally posted by 2damnloud
She's a cool ass character 😎
No one ever denied that. Actually I think Storm has one of the coolest and most powerful abilities of any Xmen
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm>>>>>Magneto in the wills department.Psi blast doesn't work. Emma tried it in Schism.
😆
Oh, I know. I have the comic. Seemed quite effective to me.
http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xtremexmen22p17hgwellsat9.jpg
Would you care to tell me why Storm decided to plummet a few hundred feet to the ground by her own free will? When she's still recovering from previous injuries?
😕
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosRead where she says she's not a God and that she only pretended to be one. 😎
No one ever denied that. Actually I think Storm has one of the coolest and most powerful abilities of any Xmen
Yea, but Claremont she IS one. She said she's not one in Unlimited. In X-treme she say's she's not one YET.
It's progression. She's moving closer to God-hood. 😱
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Yea, but Claremont she IS one. She said she's not one in Unlimited. In X-treme she say's she's not one YET.It's progression. She's moving closer to God-hood. 😱
So she's not a god 😱
And note the statement that she is "simply a woman" 😱
God =/= "simply a woman"
Potential to be a god =/= "simply a woman"
I'm just going to cut and paste. I have dealt with Storm/TP already:
Here is a post I did months ago on this board. I don't have all of the scans to back it up, but I have some of them. It is dealing with Storm vs. telepaths:
Okay, I am going to give a run down of Storm's history here and how her growth as a character was reflected in her growth in willpower as well.
When Storm first came into being, she was a very powerful as a mutant, but was easily bested by telepathy. While she could resist to a limited extent, a psi like the White Queen or Mesmero could easily best her. Hence in the Dark Phoenix Saga, Emma bested Storm, Wolverine and Colossus. After capturing the X-Men, she subjected Storm to mental torture and ripped through her mind. Ororo still tried to resist, but she was not strong enough.
Stay with me.
Upon the death of Jean Grey, Cyclops was changed. He left the team thus a new leader was required. Storm was appointed the role. This brought about major changes in the Storm character. She had misgivings at first, but she grew into the role and became much more confident and self-assured. Her willpower grew apace. One of the things CC did to establish this was her confrontation with the White Queen in Uncanny 151 and 152. I did not want to go into this earlier in this debate since it would have taken a lot of time to do so and I was feeling kind of lazy. lol. Anyway, there is more to this that my opponent on the interpretation of Uncanny 152 is seeing. Emma Frost's comment ot Ororo about her not being able to resist her TP came from the history of the two women during the Dark Phoenix Saga. Emma had ripped through Ororo's mind and tortured her. Emma was confident that she could kill Ororo in that fight. Storm banished or "killed" that storm in Uncanny 152. She stated how the storm will only be a memory by morning. Emma then stated that Ororo will be a memory as well and proceeded to mind attack her. In other words, Emma was going for the kill. She was not saying, "You will only be a memory tomorrow because I am going to give you a new personality and make you my servant." That interpretation is laughable at best. Keep in mind that the White Queen not only has a deep hatred for Ororo (which Storm definately returns in full if not greater measure), but she was very angry about losing the power to command the forces of nature. She prefered it greatly over mere telepathy. This was the first issue where we saw Storm best a psi. I believe that CC purposely used the White Queen to establish this since Emma is a much stronger character than Mesmero and was the first psi to truly best Ororo in the past. (Mesmero enslaved the entire team including a Phoenix-possessed Jean who was obviously a much stronger psi. Though the details of how he accomplished this feat was never revealed, he had to do it by surprise.) Emma was the perfect choice to reflect the change since what happened in the DP Saga was still afresh in everyone's mind. It gets people to take notice.
Then in Uncanny 159, you have the iron-willed Dracula. Not only does he have hypnotic powers, but he ambushed Storm and bit her. In biting a person, he gains a tremendous amount of control over them as they are affected by his vampirism. Add this to his hypnosis, and you really have quite an advasary. Well, eventhough Ororo was bitten, she still got up the willpower to best Dracula twice. He considered this impossible for anyone and was unable to regain control. Regrettably, I do not have scans for this...
There is another story circa Uncanny 211 where Storm is powerless. Malice attempts to gain control over Storm, but she proves to be too strong for her.
Storm's willpower was on a constant growth curve. by 1986, her willpower was stated to be the strongest of the X-Men. MAgneto was present in the story as he was on her team and on the page right before this. At the bottom of the page where this is stated, all of the X-Men's faces were shown. Magneto's was one of them. Keep in mind in Uncanny 150, Magneto's will was stated to be second to none.
In X-Men: Heroes for Hope, she once more proved her mettle as she was the only X-Man who bested The Entity. The Entity defeated Rachel with the Phoenix Force and Magneto. This is a tremendous show of will on Storm's part.
In New Mutants issue 34, Shadow King possessed Karma. This means that he not only had his abilities, but Karma's as well added to it. Even despite this, while Storm was powerless, the two fought. Though Shadow King plus Karma won, he stated that it was a near victory as she nearly bested him.
There was another issue where Psylocke, boosted by Cerebro, was unable to locate Storm or even establish TP contact with her. She shielded her mind from Betsy.
By the time we get into the mid 200s, Storm's will had grown so strong that it was impossible to control. Hence, nanny had to regress her to a child which resulted in her getting partial amnesia and weakened her powers. This made her more prone to control. However, even in this state, Storm proved to be enormously strong willed. Circa Uncanny 264-267, Shadow King assaulted her mind. Child-Storm proved to be strong enough to fight it off and struck him with a bolt of lightning.
(As a side note, Magneto and Shadow King fought off panel. Magneto won the fight, but it was a very costly victory for him.)
By the time we reach Uncanny 277, Storm and the X-Men were assaulted by the Warskrull who had the combined power of Xavier, Psylocke and Oracle. Warskrull was not interested in mind-controlling Storm in this issue. He wanted to kill her. He mind blasted the team in order to immobolize them. The others fell instantly, but Storm was too strong. He was barely able to hold her and stated that given time, she would break his hold. Therefore, he wanted Lilandra to chop off her head while he was still able to subdue Ororo. Obviously, he was not trying to read her thoughts here or make a slave out of her. So once more, the Jean fans argument that willpower can only fight mind reading and mental control is blown out of the water. He stated that he had never encountered so indomitable a will in a foe save for maybe Xavier. (In other words, it isquestionable if even Xavier's will is as strong as Storm's.)
During this time, Storm was going through her "Punk" stages. She was also finding true love for the first time in her life with Forge. Her outfits and looks were changing as frequently as the weather which reflected her changes of character.
After this, we have 7 years where Lobdell/Kelly/Seagle wrote and had every telepath from a lowly telepaths on up easily attack Storm's mind. The stripped her of her indomitable will.
However, after their run, Alan Davis came back and reestablished her indomitable will in the issue where the team tried to convince Galactus not to devour a planet populated by the Skrull.
CC then came back soon afterwards and eventually added to Storm the added protection against telepaths her electricity. We see in Schism where Bogan, a telepath strong enough to block Xavier while Xavier is boosted by Cerebra and sink his hooks into a telepath as powerful as Emma without her notice even takes possession of Rachel. Not only does he have his own immense powers, but Rachel's as well added to it. Storm and the X-Men battle Bogan-Rachel and his cronies. Storm positions herself to be the target of the telepath. When Bogan-Rachel attacks her mind, STorm smiles and states, "Do you know what happens to a telepath who enters my mind uninvited?" The electricity in her then fries Bogan-Rachel and takes him/her out of the fight.
Here are the Storm vs. Bogan/Rachel scans:
In the same story, here is Storm and Prof. X chatting. He comments on how her lightning hurts him when he just tries to talk to her via TP:
Now that I have posted this, I would recommend that the guy who tried to post all of those scans not take the time to post the issue numbers for his rebuttle. I have firmly established with this post that Jean Grey cannot, by any stretch of the imagination, defeat Storm via her TP. She is no Bogan and certainly no Bogan-Rachel. She is no Shadow King or Xavier or Warskrull. Trying to post issues where Storm is hurt by a Morlock telepath is just plain silly as it is obviously a writing the character down. If we were discussing a strength character, if I brought up a number of issues where he/she can lift 18-wheel trucks, don't try and refute the evidence by bringing up issues where the character can't even lift a car. It would not have any credence.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
😆Oh, I know. I have the comic. Seemed quite effective to me.
http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xtremexmen22p17hgwellsat9.jpg
Would you care to tell me why Storm decided to plummet a few hundred feet to the ground by her own free will? When she's still recovering from previous injuries?
😕
She was off guard it STUNNED her. It did not incapacitate her let alone KILL her.
More than that is needed.
Emma then tried this behavior modification crap. Storm answered with:
Imagine Storm hurling a Steal speare at Jean at speed exceeding the speed of Sound 😕
😱
This is ridiculous. We're back where we were witht the previous Jean Grey/Storm thread. It's an impasse with a couple holdouts, Storm fanboys that don't want to admit the truth. Of course Storm is written down, but no other character is ever written down.
Give me a freaking break. Nothing is getting through Jean's TK shield. Scans have been posted that showed Storm unable to get through Candra's shield. What the heck is she going to do to Jean when she can't get thorugh her shield? What's to prevent Jean from flying miles away and severing Storm's brain stem?
I'll tell you what--fans that refuse to see the truth.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
She was off guard it STUNNED her. It did not incapacitate her let alone KILL her.More than that is needed.
Emma then tried this behavior modification crap. Storm answered with:
Imagine Storm hurling a Steal speare at Jean at speed exceeding the speed of Sound 😕
😱
Don't worry, you don't need to tell me what happens. I just told you--I OWN that comic.
Now, if you had read my previous post, I even made a note of saying that Storm is highly resistant to telepathic CONTROL. However, she is just as susceptible to psychic attacks such as psi-bolts/blasts, etc. as everyone else is.
Caught off guard or not, it doesn't change the fact that Storm went down. And she went down hard. Regardless of what she does to Emma afterwards, Storm still went down from one psi-blast.
But I'm merely debating because I enjoy it. I know that you're not actually serious about nearly 100% of what you say. But it's cool. 😉
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Don't worry, you don't need to tell me what happens. I just told you--I OWN that comic.Now, if you had read my previous post, I even made a note of saying that Storm is highly resistant to telepathic CONTROL. However, she is just as susceptible to psychic attacks such as psi-bolts/blasts, etc. as everyone else is.
Caught off guard or not, it doesn't change the fact that Storm went down. And she went down hard. Regardless of what she does to Emma afterwards, Storm still went down from one psi-blast.
But I'm merely debating because I enjoy it. I know that you're not actually serious about nearly 100% of what you say. But it's cool. 😉
My point was a Psi blast will not be the deciding factor in this fight.
Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
This is ridiculous. We're back where we were witht the previous Jean Grey/Storm thread. It's an impasse with a couple holdouts, Storm fanboys that don't want to admit the truth. Of course Storm is written down, but no other character is ever written down.Give me a freaking break. Nothing is getting through Jean's TK shield. Scans have been posted that showed Storm unable to get through Candra's shield. What the heck is she going to do to Jean when she can't get thorugh her shield? What's to prevent Jean from flying miles away and severing Storm's brain stem?
I'll tell you what--fans that refuse to see the truth.
She did get thru Cnadra's TK shield, thats why 1,2 comboed her 💃
telepathy aside, telekinetic shields and blasts are telekinetic constructs, they are totally different then using telekinesis to manipulate the bodily functions of a target, when used to manipulate objects telekinesis exists as a quasi-tangible psonic force, when used for blasts and shields it is given definite solidity. No amount of lightning can stop a force that can be used to manipulate matter unseen. If Jean wants Storm to have a heart attack or stroke she will, telekinesis=action follows thought.
Originally posted by LordKaos
telepathy aside, telekinetic shields and blasts are telekinetic constructs, they are totally different then using telekinesis to manipulate the bodily functions of a target, when used to manipulate objects telekinesis exists as a quasi-tangible psonic force, when used for blasts and shields it is given definite solidity. No amount of lightning can stop a force that can be used to manipulate matter unseen. If Jean wants Storm to have a heart attack or stroke she will, telekinesis=action follows thought.
Been over this already. 🙄
Originally posted by 2damnloud
^😘I was PRAYING someone would bring that up 😱
It's TK. It's how the artist chose to express somethin formess-- through a pink energy.
If you notice in the last Scan, Jean stopped the knife with the same pink energy which is essentially TK as it is expressed in this comic.
Candra uses TK here
Jean uses TK here, the caption even SAYS what it is.
Jean uses it again here to Stop Storm
🙄 Here AGAIN
