KMC Comic Book Tiers

Originally posted by batdude123
When is Batman ever wrong? If Batman thinks it was effecting him... it was. 🙂

Originally posted by batdude123
Not really the nose, but the forehead.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/superbat004_20.jpg

Originally posted by batdude123
I'll show you mine if you show me yours. vin

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Batman also said he wasn't certain...

That's what he wants you to think.

And in that story, Superman's vulnerability to kryptonite was played up tremendously. Something tells me that a hunk of it the size of Brazil on course with Earth would f*ck him up royally (going by what we saw).

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
That was the effect of the batkick...

No it wasn't.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Mine's too big to put on any image hosting site... 😉

In other words, you're too shy to show it off. mhm

Originally posted by batdude123
That's what he wants you to think.

Originally posted by batdude123
No it wasn't.

Originally posted by batdude123
In other words, you're too shy to show it off. mhm

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Nuh-ah.

✅

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Well, considering he was fine until we saw what happened after Batman kicked him...

It was the throw and the slam into the mountain. Last I checked, a kick doesn't make you bleed from your forehead.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
I'll PM you it.

Originally posted by batdude123
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It was the throw and the slam into the mountain. Last I checked, a kick doesn't make you bleed from your forehead.

Please do.

I'll try.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Last I checked, neither does getting hit into a mountain. There's actually no reason he started to bleed...

Meh, Billy is a douche. However, he lives in Fawcett City, which is in Indiana. So, he does have a few good things going for him.

Val PM'd me the following list, and I updated Page 1. It has some Runaways and Alpha Flight characters added, as well as whatever changes have been decided upon.

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Sub-Skyfather (Transcendent)

Amazo, Appolyon, The Asgardian Destroyer, Black Racer, Blackheart, Blaze, Circe, Count Abyss, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Dr. Fate, Dr. Manhattan, Dr. Strange (classic), Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, The General (Shaggy Man), Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), Jenny Quantum, The Keeper, King Thor, Magus (original), Mangog, Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Queen of Fables, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Solomon Grundy (Peak), Solusandra, Stayne, Strange Visitor, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Talisman, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), Validus

Herald

High
Adam Warlock, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Cyborg Superman, The Eradicator (Fortress Mode), Genis-Vell, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), Infinity-Man, Majestic, Moonstone (w/ both stones), Qztr, The Sentry, The Silver Surfer, Sinestro, Spartan 3.0, Stardust, Superman (including B/R and AS), Thor, The Void

Middle
Alexander Nero, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Cpt. Comet, Captain Marvel (DC), Count Nefaria, Damien Hellstrom, Doomsday, Evinlea, The Fallen One, Firelord, Firestorm, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John, Katma, Kilowog), Hyperion, Ikaris, Imperiex Probes, Kid Omega, Lobo, Loki, Magus (Post-IG), Martian Manhunter, Maxima, Mon-El, Morg, Nate Grey, Orion, Quasar, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Sersi, Shaman, Skreet, Supergirl, Supreme, Swamp Thing, Terrax the Tamer, Void, Waverider, Wildfire, Witchfire (Demon Form), Wonder Woman

Low
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Animal Man, Apocalypse, Apollo, Argent, The Atom, Aztek, Bizarro Superman, Breach, Cassandra Nova, Cir-El, Damage, Darkness, Darwin, Death's Head 3.0, Death Metal, Dr. Doom, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Engineer, Etrigan, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Gammid, Gamora (w/Godslayer), Gilgamesh, Gorilla Grodd, Graviton, Green Lantern (Soranik Natu), Guardian I (James Hudson), He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hulk, Iceman, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jack of Hearts, Jericho, Juggernaut (Classic), Kalibak, Karate Kid, Lightray, Living Monolith, Lunatik, Madison Jeffries (BOX IV), Magneto, Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Manchester Black, Marrina (Leviathan), Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Pulsar), Mr. M, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Plastic Man, Prime, Professor X, Raven, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Shadow King, Snowbird, Starhawk, Super Skrull, Superboy, Tempest, Ultra Boy, Ultra-Humanite, Ultron, Union, Vulcan, Wendigo, Winter, Witchfire (Normal), Zauriel

Metahuman (Mid-tier "Iron Man" level)

High
Abomination, Adam Strange, Aquaman, Ares (Marvel), Atlas, Aurora, Batman 1 Million, Battalion (Jackson King), Blastaar, Blob, BOX I (Roger Bochs), Captain Britain, Captain Marvel Jr, Colossus, Death's Head II, Donna Troy, Emma Frost, Ghost Rider II, Grim Reaper, Guardian II (Heather Hudson), Havok, Hellstrike, Hercules (Mortal), Holocaust, The Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Iron-Man, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Jenny Sparks, Juggernaut (Depowered), Kang, Living Laser, Manbot, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Mercer Drake, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Sinister, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Nico Minoru, Nightshade, Nimrod, Northstar, Ocean Master, Osiris, Pitt, Polaris, Power Girl, Psylocke, Radioactive Man, Sand, Sasquatch, Shassa, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Supernova, Temugin, The Thing, Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Vision, War Machine, Windshear, Wonder Man, Zzaxx

Middle
Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes), Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Carnage, Cloak, Corrin, Crystal, Cyborg, Cyclops, Death's Head, Death Wreck, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Enchantress, Farenheit, Flint, Fuji, Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Ghost Rider(Dan Ketch), Grace Choi, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Karolina Dean, Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, Matua, M.O.D.O.K., Molly Hayes, Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nico Minoru, Ogun, Quicksilver (classic), Ragman, Rogue, rom, Shadowcat, Shift, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Tiger Shark, Toxin, Vance Astro, Vengeance, Victor Mancha, Wonder Girl

Low
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Blue Beetle (Dan Garrett), Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Cyber, Dagger, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Machine Man, Man-Bat, Marrina (Normal), Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Multiple Man, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Nuke, Omega Red, Orka Humbug, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Speedball, Speedfreek, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2099, Spider-Woman, Swift, Thunder Cats, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Venom, Vermin, Victor Mancha, Vulture, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Warpath, Wildchild, Wizard, Wolverine, Wulfgar

Street Level

High
Bane, Batgirl, Batman, Black Cat, Black Panther, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, Captain America, The Cat, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Hush, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Ravager, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Taskmaster, Union Jack, X-23, Nightwing, Red Hood

Middle
Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Crossbones, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Joker, Mach IV, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nomad, Peacemaker, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Rose Tattoo, Turok, Wildcat, Robin

Low
Alfred, Batroc, Black Widow, Catwoman, Christine Trelane, Colleen Wing, Night Thrasher, Obregon Kaine, Penguin, The Question, Riddler, Talia, White Tiger

Originally posted by batdude123
It's a definite possibility. One I'd sooner believe than a kick to the back. But I do believe the kick reverted him back into a child.

Meh, Billy is a douche. However, he lives in Fawcett City, which is in Indiana. So, he does have a few good things going for him.

I like Billy... racist.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
But, he also slammed into the mountain... back first.

Ambiguous. All we see is his blur slamming into the mountain. "Back first" is speculation, regardless of the fact that he ended up that way.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
I like Billy... racist.

Originally posted by batdude123
Ambiguous. All we see is his blur slamming into the mountain. "Back first" is speculation, regardless of the fact that he ended up that way.

Originally posted by batdude123
Fawcett City>Metropolis

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Ah, he must have rolled... while he was KO'ed... while he was in the direct center of the tiny crater...

Who says he was KO'd? He was conscious when Batman talked to him.

And if you were thrown into the side of a mountain that hard, I betcha wouldn't stay perfectly still after the impact. Especially if you were Billy.

Originally posted by batdude123
Who says he was KO'd? He was conscious when Batman talked to him.

And if you were thrown into the side of a mountain that hard, I betcha wouldn't stay perfectly still after the impact. Especially if you were Billy.

Also, Billy was partly buried under snow.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
He was KO'ed when BM approached him.

KO'd? Nah, it was part of his plan to fool Bats.

Well, I had a good time over in the herochat thread concerning this list, but I think I'm done now. The Mod (Imperial something-or-other) was cool about it, and had some smart things to say, but the rest was suspect at best.

The final straw was a guy ignoring 98% of an intelligent post and focusing on a Superman/Hulk comment to try to stress to me that Kal isn't that far out of Hulk's league. I was like "I don't really need to do this anymore" and came back here.

And looking through some of their vs. threads, I really doubt that board would make a better list. I stumbled into a Super Skrull vs. Apollo/Engineer/Midnighter/Swift battle, for example. The first guy said "SS wins" and no one really seemed to disagree. It was scary.

Also, I used their respect forum to sell the idea of making one to Raz and the globals back when we created ours. But anymore, ours is >>>> theirs, both in terms of number of characters and quality.

Anyway: It's a good list. Be proud. There's always flaws, but overall it's darn accurate.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Well, I had a good time over in the herochat thread concerning this list, but I think I'm done now. The Mod (Imperial something-or-other) was cool about it, and had some smart things to say, but the rest was suspect at best.

The final straw was a guy ignoring 98% of an intelligent post and focusing on a Superman/Hulk comment to try to stress to me that Kal isn't that far out of Hulk's league. I was like "I don't really need to do this anymore" and came back here.

And looking through some of their vs. threads, I really doubt that board would make a better list. I stumbled into a Super Skrull vs. Apollo/Engineer/Midnighter/Swift battle, for example. The first guy said "SS wins" and no one really seemed to disagree. It was scary.

Also, I used their respect forum to sell the idea of making one to Raz and the globals back when we created ours. But anymore, ours is >>>> theirs, both in terms of number of characters and quality.

Anyway: It's a good list. Be proud. There's always flaws, but overall it's darn accurate.

And people actually concerned themselves with what SHC thinks about us? Lawlz...

KMC is about the best comic site you're liable to find on the internet. Even forums with legit comic writers I've found aren't as good. For one thing, the comic writers only concern themselves with the characters they write, and nothing outside of that.

In terms of overall poster knowledge, KMC is about the best.

Personally I thought it was crazy "we" (using that term lightly) were even asking their advice. If you've seen this board and that one, it's easy to see opinions differ wildly.

Oh, I wasn't looking for advice. It was more boredom and the vague possibility of some fun arguments.

Most of their suggestions made their way over here at some point and were shot down, so I'm not too concerned about it.

Most of their problems stemmed from different definitions of what it meant to be "street" or "herald", not with actual tiers. Others worried about individual matchups without seeing that there's differences on any 1 level. Others were Hulk fanboys ( 😐 ). Only a few concerns were actually legit imo.

Originally posted by batdude123
And people actually concerned themselves with what SHC thinks about us? Lawlz...

Indeed.

I can't seem to find the thread.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I can't seem to find the thread.

Here ya go:
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,151017.0.html

Why is Machine Man so low? He has defeated Hulk and Sasquatch in the past