Originally posted by CreshoskI would say so.
So, venom to mid-meta?
But I won't argue if they're both put at low meta... just looking at symbiotes, Toxin's also mid meta, and he'd crush either one of them. Though, iirc, he's got the biggest weaknesses.
So, I'm just bickering about the difference between them.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
I would say so.But I won't argue if they're both put at low meta... just looking at symbiotes, Toxin's also mid meta, and he'd crush either one of them. Though, iirc, he's got the biggest weaknesses.
So, I'm just bickering about the difference between them.
Wherever you put them, I think all three should be in the same tier.
Just on different levels within the tier - Carnage nearer the bottom, Venom in the middle, and Toxin at the very top.
I vote for Mantis(Marvel) to be moved up to mid herald.
BEFORE her Celestial Madonna upgrade she was able to one shot Thor...
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3958/avengers11416qg7.jpg
...and too much for Thor, Ironman, Vision, Black Panther, and the Scarlet Witch to physically restrain…
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/8418/avengersv112307qx4.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3401/avengersv112308if0.jpg
And AFTER her upgrade she was able enough to knock around the Obliterator...
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5388/silversurfer198700514fw6.jpg
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/9276/silversurfer198700515hs3.jpg
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/8950/silversurfer198700516vc3.jpg
Fast enough to react to a blitzing Runner...
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5762/silversurfer198700421jg3.jpg
And had enough overall power to take on a Thanos clone solo...
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/5049/avengerscelestialquest0fg8.jpg
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/796/avengerscelestialquest0eu9.jpg
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6347/avengerscelestialquest0hn2.jpg
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4350/avengerscelestialquest0um9.jpg
Those things should be more than enough to rate a mid level Herald rating for her.