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ExodusCloak Senior Member

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Apocalypse seemed awfully lazy, fat, and bored in BOA....

I can't remember does he always have a big A for a belt? Or is that something Larocca came up with? His XML2 version looks fat IMO...BoA Apocalypse looks big boned.

SnazzySmurph tu quoqumber

Banshee and Syren for Low Meta.

ExodusCloak Senior Member

Sub-Skyfather (Transcendent)

Amazo, Appolyon, The Asgardian Destroyer, Black Racer, Blackheart, Blaze, Circe, Count Abyss, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Dr. Fate, Dr. Manhattan, Dr. Strange (classic), Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, The General (Shaggy Man), Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), Jenny Quantum, The Keeper, King Thor, Magus (original), Mangog, Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Queen of Fables, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Solomon Grundy (Peak), Solusandra, Stayne, Strange Visitor, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Talisman, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), Validus

Herald

High
Adam Warlock, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Cyborg Superman, The Eradicator (Fortress Mode), Genis-Vell, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), Infinity-Man, Majestic, Moonstone (w/ both stones), Qztr, The Sentry, The Silver Surfer, Sinestro, Spartan 3.0, Stardust, Superman (including B/R and AS), Thor, The Void

Middle
Alexander Nero, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Cpt. Comet, Captain Marvel (DC), Count Nefaria, Damien Hellstrom, Doomsday, Evinlea, The Fallen One, Firelord, Firestorm, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John, Katma, Kilowog), Hyperion, Ikaris, Imperiex Probes, Kid Omega, Lobo, Loki, Magus (Post-IG), Martian Manhunter, Maxima, Mon-El, Morg, Nate Grey, Orion, Quasar, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Sersi, Shaman, Skreet, Supergirl, Supreme, Swamp Thing, Terrax the Tamer, Void, Waverider, Wildfire, Witchfire (Demon Form), Wonder Woman

Low
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Animal Man, Apocalypse, Apollo, Argent, The Atom, Aztek, Bizarro Superman, Breach, Cassandra Nova, Cir-El, Damage, Darkness, Darwin, Death's Head 3.0, Death Metal, Dr. Doom, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Engineer, Etrigan, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Gammid, Gamora (w/Godslayer), Gilgamesh, Gorilla Grodd, Graviton, Green Lantern (Soranik Natu), Guardian I (James Hudson), He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hulk, Iceman, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jack of Hearts, Jericho, Juggernaut (Classic), Kalibak, Karate Kid, Lightray, Living Monolith, Lunatik, Madison Jeffries (BOX IV), Magneto, Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Manchester Black, Marrina (Leviathan), Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Pulsar), Mr. M, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Plastic Man, Prime, Professor X, Raven, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Shadow King, Snowbird, Starhawk, Super Skrull, Superboy, Tempest, Ultra Boy, Ultra-Humanite, Ultron, Union, Vulcan, Wendigo, Winter, Witchfire (Normal), Zauriel

Metahuman (Mid-tier "Iron Man" level)

High
Abomination, Adam Strange, Aquaman, Ares (Marvel), Atlas, Aurora, Batman 1 Million, Battalion (Jackson King), Blastaar, Blob, BOX I (Roger Bochs), Captain Britain, Captain Marvel Jr, Colossus, Death's Head II, Donna Troy, Emma Frost, Ghost Rider II, Grim Reaper, Guardian II (Heather Hudson), Havok, Hellstrike, Hercules (Mortal), Holocaust, The Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Iron-Man, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Jenny Sparks, Juggernaut (Depowered), Kang, Living Laser, Manbot, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Mercer Drake, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Sinister, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Nico Minoru, Nightshade, Nimrod, Northstar, Ocean Master, Osiris, Pitt, Polaris, Power Girl, Psylocke, Radioactive Man, Sand, Sasquatch, Shassa, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Supernova, Temugin, The Thing, Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Vision, War Machine, Windshear, Wonder Man, Zzaxx

Middle
Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes), Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Carnage, Cloak, Corrin, Crystal, Cyborg, Cyclops, Death's Head, Death Wreck, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Enchantress, Farenheit, Flint, Fuji, Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Ghost Rider(Dan Ketch), Grace Choi, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Karolina Dean, Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, Matua, M.O.D.O.K., Molly Hayes, Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nico Minoru, Ogun, Quicksilver (classic), Ragman, Rogue, rom, Shadowcat, Shift, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Tiger Shark, Toxin, Vance Astro, Vengeance, Victor Mancha, Wonder Girl

Low
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Blue Beetle (Dan Garrett), Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Cyber, Dagger, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Machine Man, Man-Bat, Marrina (Normal), Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Multiple Man, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Nuke, Omega Red, Orka Humbug, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Speedball, Speedfreek, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2099, Spider-Woman, Swift, Thunder Cats, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Venom, Vermin, Victor Mancha, Vulture, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Warpath, Wildchild, Wizard, Wolverine, Wulfgar

Street Level

High
Bane, Batgirl, Batman, Black Cat, Black Panther, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, Captain America, The Cat, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Hush, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Ravager, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Taskmaster, Union Jack, X-23, Nightwing, Red Hood

Middle
Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Crossbones, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Joker, Mach IV, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nomad, Peacemaker, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Rose Tattoo, Turok, Wildcat, Robin

Low
Alfred, Batroc, Black Widow, Catwoman, Christine Trelane, Colleen Wing, Night Thrasher, Obregon Kaine, Penguin, The Question, Riddler, Talia, White Tiger

Bumping the list...

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So who are we discussing?

Rogue
Crystal
Mr. Fantastic
Thing
Human Torch
Venom
Banshee
Syrin

Reed down 2/1 (Smurph/llagrok, Hyperion)
Ben down 2/1 (Smurph/llagrok, Hyperion)
Johnny down 1/3 (llagrok,Hyperion/Blair Wind/ExodusCloak)
Crystal up 3/0 (ExodusCloak, Blair Wind, Batdude)

Symmetric Chaos Fractal King

I vote for Reed to stay where he is.

Avlon Godot Brew#107

Comic robocop for low to mid meta.

SnazzySmurph tu quoqumber

I vote Crystal up.

Validus Senior Member

No on the Fantastic 3 moving down. I shouldn't have to explain Johnny. Ben shouldn't be in a different tier than Colossus, She-Hulk or Huggernaut. Reed is pretty damn durable and can amp his strength to near Thing level.

IMO, the F4 are the picture perfect definition of High Meta.

Bad Ash231 Harbinger of Dur

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I can't remember does he always have a big A for a belt? Or is that something Larocca came up with?

It's been around since his first appearance, although, most artists have removed it.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/Apoclassicappearance.png

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/apocreborn232.png

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/cablevsapoc1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/Apocalypse13.jpg

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/8000/7612/189167-apocalypse_400.jpg

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
His XML2 version looks fat IMO...BoA Apocalypse looks big boned.

Yeah. He was originally actually pretty tall and thin.

SnazzySmurph tu quoqumber

Originally posted by Validus
No on the Fantastic 3 moving down. I shouldn't have to explain Johnny. Ben shouldn't be in a different tier than Colossus, She-Hulk or Huggernaut. Reed is pretty damn durable and can amp his strength to near Thing level.
IMO, the F4 are the picture perfect definition of High Meta.

Meh, I'll change my vote on Ben.

I do think Reed should be moved down. The only time I've seen him strength amp is during the Onslaught saga, and it seemed rather PIS-y, or at least CIS-y because he never does it otherwise. Maybe I'm just misinformed though.

ExodusCloak Senior Member

Updated the voting thing again. I'm too lazy too look back for the Rogue, Venom and co votes.

Currently discussing and voting on the following:

*Quaser moving up to High Herald
*Doomsday moving up to High Herald
*Kilowog moving up to High Herald
*Rogue moving up to High Meta
*Crystal moving up to High Meta
*Mr. Fantastic moving down to Mid Meta
*Thing moving down to Mid Meta
*Human Torch moving down to Mid Meta
*Venom moving up to Mid Meta
*Kang pending

Placements for:

*Comic Robocop to Low or Mid Meta
*Master of the World pending
*Banshee to Low Meta
*Syrin to Low Meta
*Mantis pending
*Wondra to Mid or High Meta
*Monet St. Croix pending

Updated Votes:

Reed down 2/3 (Smurph/llagrok, Hyperion/Symmetric Chaos/ Validus)
Ben down 1/3 (llagrok, Hyperion/Smurph/Validus)
Johnny down 1/4 (llagrok,Hyperion/Blair Wind/ExodusCloak/Validus)
Crystal up 4/0 (ExodusCloak, Blair Wind, Batdude, Smurph)

Validus Senior Member

Doomsday should be split up between his different versions.

Death of Superman
Hunter/Prey
Gog Wars

Those are the 3 that typically come up on the Vs. forum.

Validus Senior Member

Yes on Crystal moving up.

SnazzySmurph tu quoqumber

I think at this point then, it's safe to move Crystal up.

King_Mungi ...........

Originally posted by Switch 07
You never give up do you? 😂
And Digi was ragging on to me. 😛
Anyway whats so impressive in those scans? The fights not even there.

Considering Hulk has high level of resistance to hypnotism that's pretty impressive

I'm actually about to scan their battle, and you WILL be impressed 😉

King_Mungi ...........

Hulk vs. Machineman [Part: 1/2]

1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1235-11.jpg
2. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1235-12.jpg
3. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1235-13.jpg
4. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1235-14.jpg
5. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1235-15.jpg
6. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1235-16.jpg
7. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1235-17.jpg

TricksterPriest Renegade Timelord

I want a vote on Mantis for high herald. He's soloed formidable JLA rosters and fought evenly with Infinity Man.

if Danny Rand keeps going at this rate, I may start calling for him to be bumped up. 😎

Also, Godzilla for low herald. 313

DigiMark007 Forum Leader

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Updated the voting thing again. I'm too lazy too look back for the Rogue, Venom and co votes.
[b]Currently discussing and voting on the following:
*Quaser moving up to High Herald
*Doomsday moving up to High Herald
*Kilowog moving up to High Herald
*Rogue moving up to High Meta
*Crystal moving up to High Meta
*Mr. Fantastic moving down to Mid Meta
*Thing moving down to Mid Meta
*Human Torch moving down to Mid Meta
*Venom moving up to Mid Meta
*Kang pending
Placements for:
*Comic Robocop to Low or Mid Meta
*Master of the World pending
*Banshee to Low Meta
*Syrin to Low Meta
*Mantis pending
*Wondra to Mid or High Meta
*Monet St. Croix pending
Updated Votes:
Reed down 2/3 (Smurph/llagrok, Hyperion/Symmetric Chaos/ Validus)
Ben down 1/3 (llagrok, Hyperion/Smurph/Validus)
Johnny down 1/4 (llagrok,Hyperion/Blair Wind/ExodusCloak/Validus)
Crystal up 4/0 (ExodusCloak, Blair Wind, Batdude, Smurph) [/B]

- I think it's safe to move Crystal to high meta.
- I might have to outright veto including Robocop on the list
- The Fantasti-crew can stay it seems like. I'd vote for them to stay anyway, so there's another vote.
- Thanks for keeping track 🙂

Originally posted by Validus
Doomsday should be split up between his different versions.
Death of Superman
Hunter/Prey
Gog Wars
Those are the 3 that typically come up on the Vs. forum.

Agreed.

Make it so, Number Two.

salute

Switch 07 Restricted

Originally posted by King_Mungi
[b]Hulk vs. Machineman [Part: 1/2]
1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1235-11.jpg
2. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1235-12.jpg
3. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1235-13.jpg
4. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1235-14.jpg
5. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1235-15.jpg
6. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1235-16.jpg
7. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1235-17.jpg
[Part: 2/2]
1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1236-01.jpg
2. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1236-05.jpg
3. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1236-06.jpg
4. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1236-07.jpg
5. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1236-08.jpg
6. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1236-10.jpg
7. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1236-11.jpg
8. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1236-12.jpg
9. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1236-13.jpg
10. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1236-16.jpg
11. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1236-17.jpg
12. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/IncredibleHulkV1237-02.jpg [/B]

Thats impressive. Respect thread maybe for more showings? 😄

llagrok Restricted

I already told you to drop the F4, as I withdrew my vote.

Crystal needs better durability and more showings to move up to low herald imo.

Endless Mike Sqirrel Girl fanboy

I thought we agreed on Gold Key Solar for Low Herald