Reed down 2/1 (Smurph, llagrok/Hyperion)
Ben down 2/1 (Smurph, llagrok/Hyperion)
Johnny down 1/2 (llagrok/Hyperion, Blair Wind)
Smurph never officially voted. If you want to look at it in the way that he did however, he never gave a definite position on Johnny.
Also I am against moving Johnny at the very least down.
The others have been put there, from what I understood, based on different nonphysical factors (Intelligence, willpower, importance based on the team and standing in the community). Just saying, however I do not really care either way on Reed or Ben.
Originally posted by Hyperion 07
Here is Thors bio from the Handbook.His stats are looking good. More powerful than people think.
Low herald? His speed is there.
Oh I see lets give Ult Thor an intelilgence of 2 shall we?? After all Thor only has average intelligence....gezzzzzz. Some heatehns might be offended by that.
I thought he would have been an improvement on the 616 Thor but oh well same old **** 😬
Are we using handbooks to justify placement. Wolverine would be off this list based on Marvel's current ratings for him. And that's only 1 example among countless others.
If no one else is endorsing him for low herald, let it drop. You may be right, and I haven't seen enough of him to say. But I know there's been debate, so a consensus has to be reached....it can't just be one person.
Originally posted by ExodusCloakIts something I noticed too actually. and it was wy I was arguing for Wondra being up there with them. She's a class 100 (lifted a 130-138.75 ton freight train engine over her head), and has a high durability. She however can fly and shrink people. So she wasn't even as one dimensional as the other bricks.
Just trying to make sense of the placing... 😛 It's one of those things that stood out when I looked at the list. Ideally 1-dimensional bricks like that wouldn't be High Meta...but then you have problems with other 1 dimensional bricks such as the Hulk which makes things rather difficult.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Are we using handbooks to justify placement. Wolverine would be off this list based on Marvel's current ratings for him. And that's only 1 example among countless others.If no one else is endorsing him for low herald, let it drop. You may be right, and I haven't seen enough of him to say. But I know there's been debate, so a consensus has to be reached....it can't just be one person.
No, thats just for giving an idea of his ability's, which seem pretty accurate.
It was with like one person or maybe two, I want him low herald, but I am willing to listen to someone and for them to me why hes not. Thats more than allot of people are willing to do.
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2 for Thor seems OK. Maybe a 3.
Originally posted by Bad Ash231
I remember him pwning some members of X Factor and X Men. Although, I also recall him acting like a scared girl when a depowered Wolverine cut him....
That's the only time he has taken on two full teams of X-Men(X-Factor and Storms team) that I can recall and he pwned them all. He punked Nate Grey and X-Force in X-Mans own comic...and just recently pwned Iceman and Cannonball. And if you read the Messiah Complex Solicits Sinister rapes the UXM team again. Plus it looks like he's going to have something to do with Evil Xavier.(See my Avatar). Then he's also taken out a team of X-Men with one blast in X-Men Creators Choice:
So overall his record with the X-Men is better then Apocalypse because he engineers his own demise eg Cyclops and his Optic Blasts apparently killing him. And most importantly his most recent appearance is far more impressive then Apocalypses most recent appearance. It doesn't mean that Apocalypse is weaker, it just means that Writers tend to handle Sinister better.
Also when you think about it. Sinisters Marauders are far more successful when it comes to actually killing people then Apocalypses Horsemen. Sinister is what Apocalypse should be.
Oh and Sinisters Marauders got rid of Vargas(One of Claremonts abominations)...that puts him higher up in my book then Apocalypse. 😛
As for the rest:
I'm actually against moving Johnny down 😬 I think he's Nova blast makes him a good contender for High Meta.
I'm going to opt out from the Thing and Mr. Fantastic vote...if skill and abilities are taken into account it makes everything so iffy.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Its something I noticed too actually. and it was wy I was arguing for Wondra being up there with them. She's a class 100 (lifted a 130-138.75 ton freight train engine over her head), and has a high durability. She however can fly and shrink people. So she wasn't even as one dimensional as the other bricks.
Good point with Wondra. I'm going to stay away from placing 1 dimensional bricks. I can't get my head around the fact that they're so 1 dimensional. 😐
Originally posted by llagrok
What was so wrong about Apocalypse's recent appearance?He beat the x-men, while depowered.
He's always depowered though, there's hardly ever a time when he's at full strength. He didn't really beat them 😬 His body started to fall apart when the X-Men came after him and he ended up running for the door. Plus Milligan and Larocca were the creative team. 😐 That's almost as bad as an Austen/Quitely team up. I think the idea behind the whole BoA storyline was to finally cure Apocalypse of his jobbing syndrome. It looks like whenever he comes back he'll either be more powerful then ever or finally dead.
