Originally posted by DigiMark007Who's above Extremis IM in high meta?
I'm inclined to vote against on IM. I realize we're not all about individual matchups, but I don't even think Extremis is the class of the Top Meta, and there's a fair number of people in the Low Herald that would flat-out hand Tony his ass....it wouldn't even be a fight.
And yeah, but there are people that Ironman can easily hang with in Low Herald too, even take victories over. And his track record is up there too.
Originally posted by StylishSmurph
Who's above Extremis IM in high meta?And yeah, but there are people that Ironman can easily hang with in Low Herald too, even take victories over. And his track record is up there too.
People that are at or near his level, or slightly above: Aquaman, Britain, Namor, Death's Head II, Machine Man, Nimrod (depends on the iteration), Mimic.
There may be more.
People who would hand him his ass in Low Herald: Absorbing Man, Apollo, Apocalypse, Death's Head 3.0, Death Metal, He-Man, Superboy, Juggernaut, Magneto, Madison Jeffries, Hawksmoor in a city, etc. Again, there's probably others I'm omitting due to incomplete knowledge of them.
Yeah, there may be one or two that he'd take a majority from or hang with. And he's definitely toward the high end of the high meta. But he just seems more at home with the high metas to me.
Anyway, against.
Originally posted by King_MungiAll of whom IM trumps in versatility by a loooooong shot.
*shrugs* here's just a few..Invisible Woman, Mary Marvel, Mandarin [not sure which Mandarin this is though], Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Ocean Master, Starfire, Supernova, Windshear
Add in his ability to control machines, his healing factor, and his amazing reaction times, and there are quite a few there that he would take the majority from. I can't say about some of them, because I don't know, but...
If you want to do this one on one:
Invisible Woman, Mandarin, Mimic, Supernova and Windshear have done nothing to suggest that they wouldn't just get blasted in the second of battle.
If you're referring to Temugin, the battles are slightly PIS-ish, because Ironman did nothing other than fly around and throw out a couple blasts.
Supernova, Windshear and Mandarin all rely on tech.
That entire list has nothing on Tony's status (head of SHIELD, member of the Illuminati, Secretary of Defense I believe, and head of the Avengers...) which we're supposed to take into account.
And Tony's track record also leaves most of that list in the dust.
Originally posted by StylishSmurph
All of whom IM trumps in versatility by a loooooong shot.
Is this a versatility thread or overall power? Serious question
Originally posted by StylishSmurph
Invisible Woman, Mandarin, Mimic, Supernova and Windshear have done nothing to suggest that they wouldn't just get blasted in the second of battle.
IW-Shields or force bubble in his suit
Mandain-His rings always have given Iron Man trouble
Mimic-Speed, half the speed of light is a huge advantage
Supernova-Are you familar with Supernova?
Windshear-Shields again, or he could turn all the liquid in the air into a solid or deliver a punch causing his armor, flesh and tissue to liquify. Yes, he has done that all in the past
Originally posted by StylishSmurph
If you're referring to Temugin, the battles are slightly PIS-ish, because Ironman did nothing other than fly around and throw out a couple blasts.
Well like I said I don't know which Mandarin was placed there
Originally posted by StylishSmurph
Supernova, Windshear and Mandarin all rely on tech.
Yet Supernova tech > Iron Man's
Temugin doesn't, and he owned Iron Man [classic] and he didn't even use his rings
Errr? Windshear is a mutant, he doesn't need tech
Originally posted by StylishSmurph
And Tony's track record also leaves most of that list in the dust.
If we go by track record, Guardian has owned Dr.Doom, skyfather beings as well as a weakened Galactus when people who are listed above him failed to do what he could do. Hell Captain Comet has owned Hal Jordan, Chronus, Lobo, Johnny Quick, Sinestro, Super Woman, Power Ring etc.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Is this a versatility thread or overall power? Serious question
Ironmans sheer versatility supports his already formidable overall power. I would take him over almost any single brute sans Hulk, and even then I would give him a few wins.
IW-Shields or force bubble in his suit
Telepathy or any form of telepathy (being able to produce a foreign substance or material - such as bubbles) is blocked by the suit.
Mandain-His rings always have given Iron Man trouble
Yes. In the past. Has Extremis gone against Mandarin yet? I know they were setting it up, but really they had a whole arch devoted to the fact that Ironman is so far past his old enemies it is not even funny.
Mimic-Speed, half the speed of light is a huge advantage
Meh.
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/2789/sentryfliesacrossplanetxw7.jpg
Maybe not as fast, but his overall speed and reaction times beat Mimics.
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You have to understand that the complete prowess of the armor is under scrutiny (all his powers, tech options, abilities) plus the technopathic abilities of Stark PLUS his position on Marvel Earth. Basically? He runs the whole damn thing.
Originally posted by King_MungiI was under the assumption that it was an assessment of the character's overall ability, and status.
Is this a versatility thread or overall power? Serious question
Originally posted by King_MungiIW- Reaction times...
IW-Shields or force bubble in his suit
Mandain-His rings always have given Iron Man trouble
Mimic-Speed, half the speed of light is a huge advantage
Supernova-Are you familar with Supernova?
Windshear-Shields again, or he could turn all the liquid in the air into a solid or deliver a punch causing his armor, flesh and tissue to liquify. Yes, he has done that all in the past
Originally posted by King_MungiWhich says nothing about IM's competency to control it.
Yet Supernova tech > Iron Man's
Originally posted by King_MungiThat was classic IM, who I believe is high meta, and, as I said already, both Temugin fights were PIS-ish
Temugin doesn't, and he owned Iron Man [classic] and he didn't even use his rings
Originally posted by King_MungiBut he uses it. Wears a tech suit.
Errr? Windshear is a mutant, he doesn't need tech
Originally posted by King_MungiAnd, seeing as neither of those examples are high meta currently, that's not really relevant. I wasn't saying Tony should be on the same level as some of those who he's taken down, but simply that that adds to the reasoning of why he should be higher.
If we go by track record, Guardian has owned Dr.Doom, skyfather beings as well as a weakened Galactus when people who are listed above him failed to do what he could do. Hell Captain Comet has owned Hal Jordan, Chronus, Lobo, Johnny Quick, Sinestro, Super Woman, Power Ring etc.
And there's still the status. Stark has more going for him in that department than nearly anybody else in this thread.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Ironmans sheer versatility supports his already formidable overall power. I would take him over almost any single brute sans Hulk, and even then I would give him a few wins.
As would I, but I'm just stating people who could beat him. I can see him low hearld, but like Digi said there are people who could WTFOWN him in that level
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Telepathy or any form of telepathy (being able to produce a foreign substance or material - such as bubbles) is blocked by the suit.
It's not telepathy, do you have proof it can stop the likes of IW?
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Yes. In the past. Has Extremis gone against Mandarin yet? I know they were setting it up, but really they had a whole arch devoted to the fact that Ironman is so far past his old enemies it is not even funny..
Not yet, but like you said soon. Especially with the movie coming out, and I don't think they would have Iron Man own him either as it would make Mandarin a weak villian to be in the movie. However, we have to wait and see
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Meh.
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/2789/sentryfliesacrossplanetxw7.jpg
*shrugs* He wasn't go lightspeed there
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Maybe not as fast, but his overall speed and reaction times beat Mimics.
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Errrr?...Iron Man's reflexes are better then Northstar's? Spider-Man's reflexes are nothing to the Alpha FLight member 😕
Originally posted by Blair Wind
You have to understand that the complete prowess of the armor is under scrutiny (all his powers, tech options, abilities) plus the technopathic abilities of Stark PLUS his position on Marvel Earth. Basically? He runs the whole damn thing.
No I know, but there are people in the list who don't have the versatility as him, can still beat him for the majority *shrugs*
Originally posted by StylishSmurph
IW- Reaction times...
Mandarin- Reaction times...
Mimic- Reaction times...
Which says nothing about IM's competency to control it.
Invisiable Woman-She has amazing reflexes in her own right
Mandain-Depends, sometimes the rings go into auto-defense mode.
Mimic- has Northstar's reaction time
Originally posted by StylishSmurph
That was classic IM, who I believe is high meta, and, as I said already, both Temugin fights were PIS-ishBut he uses it. Wears a tech suit.
Meh! even recently Tem actually owned Living Lazer even in energy form. That's who he is
He doesn't need it.
Originally posted by StylishSmurph
And, seeing as neither of those examples are high meta currently, that's not really relevant. I wasn't saying Tony should be on the same level as some of those who he's taken down, but simply that that adds to the reasoning of why he should be higher.And there's still the status. Stark has more going for him in that department than nearly anybody else in this thread.
It was going by the point you used as going by their track record. Hell Batman has owned people the likes of Grundy [twice] in hand to hand. Guardian should be higher same with Captain Comet as they have beaten people who are listed above them. *shrugs*
Madison Jeffries has less abilities, but he would destroy Iron Man though *shrugs*
