KMC Comic Book Tiers

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Invisiable Woman-She has amazing reflexes in her own right
Mandain-Depends, sometimes the rings go into auto-defense mode.
Mimic- has Northstar's reaction time

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Meh! even recently Tem actually owned Living Lazer even in energy form. That's who he is

He doesn't need it.

But he uses it. Ironman would have control of the armors sight, movement, respiratory systems...

Originally posted by King_Mungi
It was going by the point you used as going by their track record. Hell Batman has owned people the likes of Grundy [twice] in hand to hand. Guardian should be higher same with Captain Comet as they have beaten people who are listed above them. *shrugs*

Secondly, to reiterate, my point was not that Ironman beats people above him, therefore he should move. My point was that IM's track record blows away most high meta track records.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Madison Jeffries has less abilities, but he would destroy Iron Man though *shrugs*

Originally posted by StylishSmurph
IW- Still nothing on Iron Man's
Mandarin- Not with Temugin, they haven't. And normal Mandarin could still be outmaneuvered by Extremis IM, nor problemo.
Mimic- Proof? Serious question. When Mimic isn't using 1/2 Northstar's speed, I haven't seen anything to suggest he could react at 1/2 NS's reaction times.

IW-She stopped bullets that she didn't even know where there till a few inches from her face. Give the girl some credit
Mandarin-Like I said which Mandarin is this in high-meta? I doubt that, I really do, especially as were going to see them fight soon and no way are they going to make Iron Man WTFOWN him just before the movie release.
Mimic-He's stated several times he has half the speed of Northstar, and has moved at half lightspeed in the past hitting King Hyperion. He also has had Northstar's speed since Exiles #3 [or around there] so he is accustomed to it

Originally posted by StylishSmurph

Yeah, I've seen it. Still nothing to suggest he could hit Ironman, cool feat though it was.

But he uses it. Ironman would have control of the armors sight, movement, respiratory systems...

He has gotten stronger over the years, I wouldn't put it past him as even people without superhuman reflexes have tagged E.Iron Man before.

Kinda hard to do that, especially when Windshear literally could blow up the oxygen in Iron Man's suit before he even tries to hack into his suit. Also doing so is no easy feat.

Originally posted by StylishSmurph

First off, the versions of Grundy that Batman beat were barely threats.

How do we know that? Also Batman has beaten Amazo

Originally posted by StylishSmurph

Secondly, to reiterate, my point was not that Ironman beats people above him, therefore he should move. My point was that IM's track record blows away most high meta track records.

But the likes of Mary Marvel in high meta though

Originally posted by StylishSmurph

The only thing that puts Madison above Iron Man is his size changing abilities. Besides, he can't grow 200 ft without leaving his armor anyways, so he would take a majority at best.

and the fact he has complete control over metal, glass and plastic. He literally could take control over Iron Man.

Jeffries could destroy matter in his suit creating depending how big he wants to go atomic bomb blasts 😬

I'm against IM to low herald. I feel he's the cream of the crop in High meta, but he'd get smacked by almost everyone on the low herald list.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Mandarin-Like I said which Mandarin is this in high-meta? I doubt that, I really do, especially as were going to see them fight soon and no way are they going to make Iron Man WTFOWN him just before the movie release.

Just to note, I dont think the villian in the movie is Mandarin. I am pretty sure its Obediah Stone who turns into Iron Monger.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Just to note, I dont think the villian in the movie is Mandarin. I am pretty sure its Obediah Stone who turns into Iron Monger.

I thought Marvel did an interview awhile ago saying Mandarin was the villian. Well things change in Hollywood, so who knows. Like Morbius was suppose to be in the Blade movies.

Mandarin is definetly in it or make some kind of reference in it
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Favreau announced the Mandarin as the film's villain at Comic-Con International on July 22, 2006.

http://www.comics2film.com/index.php?a=story&b=21118

After filming, Favreau compared the Mandarin to Sauron in The Lord of the Rings, in that his role is a menacing presence rather than a physical antagonist.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33483

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm against IM to low herald. I feel he's the cream of the crop in High meta, but he'd get smacked by almost everyone on the low herald list.

You have to take into account his position in Marvel Earth. SHIELD director, Illuminati member (basically leader though), Former CEO of Stark Enterprises, ect ect.

Plus he has beat Graviton, Pulsar, he can beat Professor X, I could see him beating Super Skrull, and a few others.

His technopathy and other armor functions give him the ability to be at the very least the low end of the low heralds.

BTW: I would bump Human Torch as well. I mean seriously, a nova blast can do a LOT.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
BTW: I would bump Human Torch as well. I mean seriously, a nova blast can do a LOT.

Then what about Machine Man? He can do that AND go absolute zero 🙁

Originally posted by Blair Wind
BTW: I would bump Human Torch as well. I mean seriously, a nova blast can do a LOT.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
IW-She stopped bullets that she didn't even know where there till a few inches from her face. Give the girl some credit
Mandarin-Like I said which Mandarin is this in high-meta? I doubt that, I really do, especially as were going to see them fight soon and no way are they going to make Iron Man WTFOWN him just before the movie release.
Mimic-He's stated several times he has half the speed of Northstar, and has moved at half lightspeed in the past hitting King Hyperion. He also has had Northstar's speed since Exiles #3 [or around there] so he is accustomed to it

Originally posted by King_Mungi
He has gotten stronger over the years, I wouldn't put it past him as even people without superhuman reflexes have tagged E.Iron Man before.

In a PISless scenario, Tony isn't getting hit by somebody without serious speed. And Tony, fighting to the best of his ability, has a lot more than the simple blasts he used against Temugin.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Kinda hard to do that, especially when Windshear literally could blow up the oxygen in Iron Man's suit before he even tries to hack into his suit. Also doing so is no easy feat.

Blowing up the oxygen in IM's suit is not only out of character, it's also impossible, because it would require a form of TP/TK to affect the air in such a manner, and IM's suit blocks all that out.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
How do we know that? Also Batman has beaten Amazo

Is he seriously your best example?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
But the likes of Marvel Marvel in high meta though

Originally posted by King_Mungi
and the fact he has complete control over metal, glass and plastic. He literally could take control over Iron Man.

Jeffries could destroy matter in his suit creating depending how big he wants to go atomic bomb blasts 😬

In order to make atomic bomb blasts, he needs to absorb enough matter into his suit... to do so, he'd have to get out of the suit, when Ironman could just blast him.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Just to note, I dont think the villian in the movie is Mandarin. I am pretty sure its Obediah Stone who turns into Iron Monger.

Originally posted by StylishSmurph
IW- Still nothing on Ironman... omnidirectional blasts, sonic attacks and the like still take her out before she knows what hit her. Simple pulsar beams should do the trick anyways.
Mandarin- they're both listed in high meta. And if they purposefully have Ironman do poorly because of the movie release, that would be textbook PIS, would it not?
Mimic- I believe I said when he's not accessing Northstar's travel speed... because, most of his fights, he doesn't maintain it throughout.

IW-*Shrugs* she has blocked those kind of attacks before with no trouble, I don't think your giving her much credit
Mandarin-Depends on how they write it, as Mandarin was always Iron Man's top villian.
Mimic-Errr? When is he not accessing Northstar's travel speed? Northstar has superhuman reflexes without traveling, as noted it goes with the superspeed.

Originally posted by StylishSmurph

IM's boost > Temugin's boost.

In a PISless scenario, Tony isn't getting hit by somebody without serious speed. And Tony, fighting to the best of his ability, has a lot more than the simple blasts he used against Temugin.

We don't know that, as we really havn't seen Tem much

If a lot of the people fought at the best of the ability Captain Comet could one-shot high end heralds like no one's bussiness. Your making it seem Iron Man can't be touched..at all 😬

Originally posted by StylishSmurph

Ironman shouts "Suit! Shut down eyesight and respiration!"...

With the likes of James Hudson, Roxxon, Sasquatch, Heather Hudson who helped modify it? Doubtful, especially with James Hudson.

Originally posted by StylishSmurph

Blowing up the oxygen in IM's suit is not only out of character, it's also impossible, because it would require a form of TP/TK to affect the air in such a manner, and IM's suit blocks all that out.

Errr? out of character he has done it to people before, and he controls the molecules he has matter manipulation powers as he can turn liquids into gases, solids into liquids, etc. It's not TP/TK

Originally posted by StylishSmurph

Batman's also batkicked the Spectre, and made him bleed.

Is he seriously your best example?

My point exactally, he has hurt people and beat people far above him

No, I already used Captain Comet, Guardian.

Originally posted by StylishSmurph

Assuming you mean Mary... really don't know enough about her to comment.

Yeah Mary, I corrected the typo

Originally posted by StylishSmurph

Which would again require a form of TK/TP, blocked by the suit.

In order to make atomic bomb blasts, he needs to absorb enough matter into his suit... to do so, he'd have to get out of the suit, when Ironman could just blast him.

Ummm...no he doesn't, he controls atoms themselves. His suit is not going to stop atom or molecular control

No he doesn't, he actually only destroyed a small peice of matter when he did it on Tundra, as he then used the rest of the materal to transform into a gigantic starship that could go speeds faster then light. He was reaching these speeds, by destroying small peices of matter to generate power for the engines.

Thats five votes for, 1 vote against (unless Mungi wants to throw his vote down too) for Ironman to low herald

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Your making it seem Iron Man can't be touched..at all 😬

Errr? out of character he has done it to people before, and he controls the molecules he has matter manipulation powers as he can turn liquids into gases, solids into liquids, etc. It's not TP/TK

But how does he interact with those molecules? Its a form of TP/TK. Ironmans armor does not allow for that.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Thats five votes for, 1 vote against (unless Mungi wants to throw his vote down too) for Ironman to low herald

2 actually [Digi and Trick]

I havn't decided what I will vote, but I can see him on either tier

Originally posted by Blair Wind
No, just not by the people you are vouching for to hurt him. At least a majority of them.

But how does he interact with those molecules? Its a form of TP/TK. Ironmans armor does not allow for that.

He's going to stop people from thinking all together?...come on, it's not the same as TP/TK. So Iron Man is above matter manipulation?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Also, I thought that we had a limit on characters being voted on?

Originally posted by Val
We do and its 3.

Originally posted by Val
-Kurse to High Herald. For: 3 (Mighty, ill, lord) Against: 1 (Oual)

-Starlord to High Street. For 1 (Illagrok) Against: 0

-Cyborg Superman to Trans. For: 3(Avlon, Pr, Trick) Against: 0

-Kurse to High Herald. For: 3 (Mighty, ill, lord) Against: 2 (Oual, Bran)

-Starlord to High Street. For 1 (Illagrok) Against: 1 (Bran)

-Cyborg Superman to Trans. For: 3(Avlon, Pr, Trick) Against: 1 (Bran)

🙂

Originally posted by King_Mungi
He's going to stop people from thinking all together?...come on, it's not the same as TP/TK. So Iron Man is above matter manipulation?

They cannot think a thought that penetrates his personal space. The technology is on his watch AND on his armor. He and his armor cannot be touched telepathically.

But yes actually. If madison jefferies was just himself outside of his box form and still using metal against him, Ironman would win. Not even based on anything but one thing: His human brain shutdown sonics frequency.

This can apply to anyone who has human like features (Invisible Woman comes to mind).

Originally posted by King_Mungi
IW-*Shrugs* she has blocked those kind of attacks before with no trouble, I don't think your giving her much credit
Mandarin-Depends on how they write it, as Mandarin was always Iron Man's top villian.
Mimic-Errr? When is he not accessing Northstar's travel speed? Northstar has superhuman reflexes without traveling, as noted it goes with the superspeed.

Mandarin- still doesn't hold up nowadays

Mimic- When he's not traveling at 1/2 Light Speed... 😐 Anyways, I just wanted to see Mimic use these "uber reflexes" when he's not traveling 1/2 C.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
We don't know that, as we really havn't seen Tem much

If a lot of the people fought at the best of the ability Captain Comet could one-shot high end heralds like no one's bussiness. Your making it seem Iron Man can't be touched..at all 😬

In the thread, I believe we're supposed to judge them according to their best ability, but taking CIS into account.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
With the likes of James Hudson, Roxxon, Sasquatch, Heather Hudson who helped modify it? Doubtful, especially with James Hudson.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Errr? out of character he has done it to people before, and he controls the molecules he has matter manipulation powers as he can turn liquids into gases, solids into liquids, etc. It's not TP/TK

He is telekinetically controlling the molecules, so yes, it is.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
My point exactally, he has hurt people and beat people far above him

No, I already used Captain Comet, Guardian.

As for the others, I already explained how they don't apply to this scenario.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Ummm...no he doesn't, he controls atoms themselves. His suit is not going to stop atom or molecular control

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No he doesn't, he actually only destroyed a small peice of matter when he did it on Tundra, as he then used the rest of the materal to transform into a gigantic starship that could go speeds faster then light. He was reaching these speeds, by destroying small peices of matter to generate power for the engines.

........Ok, you are rediculously wanking IM's armor. He is not above matter manip. 😐