KMC Comic Book Tiers

Originally posted by DigiMark007
As I browse the low meta tier, I see more people I think Wolverine would beat than lose to. I don't consider him the class of low meta, but neither is he at the bottom. And I'm pretty sure my estimation of Logan is lower than the forum average.

More importantly, with high street being composed almost entirely of MAers (albeit skilled ones) her claws and powers really put her on a different level.

But fangirl's opinion is noted, and should be tallied as an against if anyone adds up votes (I will eventually if nothing else).

That may be so, but damage output is only one aspect of total power. Someone with Wolverine level healing would be harder to put down permanently than T'Challa. Adamantium claws also put her damage potential far higher than BP, unless we start to include prep and non-standard equipment (which we don't).

We also have to be careful of using individual matchups and extrapolating those comparisons into tier placements. There's a fair number in lower tiers that have the potential to beat higher tiers. Or occasionally they just possess a particular weakness of a person who would normally be higher than them.

As it pertains to your example, T'Challa with any kind of prep is one matter, but the list doesn't account for prep, and on neutral turf with standard equipment, I like X-23 in that fight.

Meh.. People who are entirely human with awesome equipment are typically easier put down than superhumans.

BP has a suit that can be removed from him, and that is less durable than X-23.

She's got superhuman stats, superhuman senses, and super (duper) powers.

She's clearly superhuman.

Originally posted by Boy Blue
Meh.. People who are entirely human with awesome equipment are typically easier put down than superhumans.

BP has a suit that can be removed from him, and that is less durable than X-23.

She's got superhuman stats, superhuman senses, and super (duper) powers.

She's clearly superhuman.

That can be dealt with on a case by case basis.

X-23 is someone who can stand there and take the best that Lady Deathstrike has to offer before pwning her.

Shadowcat and Emma Frost can't lift cars. Clearly they belong in high street.

Originally posted by Boy Blue
Shadowcat and Emma Frost can't lift cars. Clearly they belong in high street.

So it's agreed then? Emma Frost and Shadowcat for high street.

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Lulz @ the car lifting issue

Most peak humans could lift a car, btw. Most regular-sized cars max at a couple tons, or are less. Given proper leverage, guys like Cap or BP could likely brace themselves underneath it sufficiently to get it off the ground.

And things like fangirl mentioned (only invisibility, or gambit-agility as a power, or flying slowly) would be high street (or lower). So he's right about that. But they'd also all get pwned by X-23, whose powers are far more useful. Point made, yes?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Most peak humans could lift a car, btw. Most regular-sized cars max at a couple tons, or are less. Given proper leverage, guys like Cap or BP could likely brace themselves underneath it sufficiently to get it off the ground.

And things like fangirl mentioned (only invisibility, or gambit-agility as a power, or flying slowly) would be high street (or lower). So he's right about that. But they'd also all get pwned by X-23, whose powers are far more useful. Point made, yes?

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fangirl claims to be female.

Originally posted by Boy Blue
That can be dealt with on a case by case basis.

X-23 is someone who can stand there and take the best that Lady Deathstrike has to offer before pwning her.

Shadowcat and Emma Frost can't lift cars. Clearly they belong in high street.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Most peak humans could lift a car, btw. Most regular-sized cars max at a couple tons, or are less. Given proper leverage, guys like Cap or BP could likely brace themselves underneath it sufficiently to get it off the ground.

And things like fangirl mentioned (only invisibility, or gambit-agility as a power, or flying slowly) would be high street (or lower). So he's right about that. But they'd also all get pwned by X-23, whose powers are far more useful. Point made, yes?

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Originally posted by fangirl101
Shadow cat can't do much until she touches computers and machines. now that is note worthy of low meta. As for emma, i thought she got super strength from her diamond form? as well as having vastly superior dmg resist.

....

WHAT?!

Emma's way more powerful out of her Diamond Form, and Shadow Cat can phase people into the ground or phase their brains out of their head, or....

Originally posted by Soljer
She.

fangirl claims to be female.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Shadow cat can't do much until she touches computers and machines. now that is note worthy of low meta. As for emma, i thought she got super strength from her diamond form? as well as having vastly superior dmg resist.

But, that's all irrelevant, seeing as she can't lift a car.

Why would you think that Wolverine is low meta but X-23 is high street? And I don't want opinions on who would win, obviously Logan would pwn her.

But what standard for low meta does Wolverine meet that she doesn't?

The only consistent difference between meta and street is that meta characters have something that gives them an automatic edge over human characters, even if human characters could possibly beat them through skill or tech.

For instance, Cap vs. X-23. X-23 has super powers which Cap has to overcome via his insane skills and his unbreakable shield.

The only superpowers that are acceptable into street tier are purely passive ones- like photographic memory, psychometry (ability to "read memories" from objects by touching them) or something like that. There are SOME people with limited healing powers in high street like Ravager or Taskmaster, but they heal only slightly better than normal humans and X-23's regen is >>>>than that.

X-23 should be moved to low meta. And the case fangirl did with Nightblade being high street "he can't regrow limbs- he need to put severed limb together with the rest of the body for it to reattach" is clearly ABOVE street tier in terms of regen. Nobosdy in streer tier can do neither of those things.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
The only superpowers that are acceptable into street tier are purely passive ones- like photographic memory, psychometry (ability to "read memories" from objects by touching them) or something like that.

That's a sweeping generalization that is entirely inaccurate.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Shadow cat can't do much until she touches computers and machines. now that is note worthy of low meta. As for emma, i thought she got super strength from her diamond form? as well as having vastly superior dmg resist.

Instead of being DC bias try reading some Marvel comics for a change, this way to don't end up saying stupid statements like this.

Originally posted by Soljer
That's a sweeping generalization that is entirely inaccurate.

I know that...it always depends.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
That may be so, but damage output is only one aspect of total power. Someone with Wolverine level healing would be harder to put down permanently than T'Challa. Adamantium claws also put her damage potential far higher than BP, unless we start to include prep and non-standard equipment (which we don't).

We also have to be careful of using individual matchups and extrapolating those comparisons into tier placements. There's a fair number in lower tiers that have the potential to beat higher tiers. Or occasionally they just possess a particular weakness of a person who would normally be higher than them.

As it pertains to your example, T'Challa with any kind of prep is one matter, but the list doesn't account for prep, and on neutral turf with standard equipment, I like X-23 in that fight.

Doesn't Black Panther have vibranium claws in his suit? Vibranium can at least match adamantium

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Doesn't Black Panther have vibranium claws in his suit? Vibranium can at least match adamantium

Vibranium is NO match for adamantium.

Howerver, T'Challa as antarctic vibranium in his suit's claws. This sort of vibranium actually generates a vibration which 'melts' nearby metals, thus allowing T'Challa to cut through them with no resistance.