Originally posted by Martian_mind
Care to show scans....like those Superman beating Jonn ones you never showed me?Oh,and Batdude has tried the same thing and shown me Atom knock out an alternate universes Jonn.
In any case, CA and J'onn are in the same bracket and the only evidence I've seen suggest CA is more powerful. Not seeing your point.
If you think anything from Superman/Batman is legible this is a very pointless argument.....didn't Superman also assrape Darkseid and One-Shot Despero.Oh wait,thats not Pis,it's Superman going all out.
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Watever,clearly since Digi put you in charge,and you find me fun to screw with,i highly doubt Jonn will be bumped up.
Transcendent (Sub-Skyfather):
Amazo, The Asgardian Destroyer,Black Racer, Blackheart, Blaze, Circe, Count Abyss, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Dr. Fate, Dr. Strange (classic), Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, The General (Shaggy Man), Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), Jenny Quantum, The Keeper, King Thor, Magus (original), Mangog, Mogo(?), Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Stayne, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Tanaraq, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), Validus
Herald
High
Adam Warlock, All-Star Superman, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Genis-Vell, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), Infinity-Man, Majestic, Moonstone (w/ both stones), The Sentry, The Silver Surfer, Spartan 3.0, Stardust, Superman, Superman Blue/Red, Thor, The Void
Middle
Alexander Nero, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Cpt. Comet, Captain Marvel (DC), Cyborg Superman, Damien Hellstrom, Doomsday, The Eradicator, The Fallen One, Firelord, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John), Hyperion, Ikaris, Kid Omega, Magus (Post-IG), Martian Manhunter, Maxima, Mon-El, Morg, Nate Grey, Orion, Quasar, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Sinestro, Skreet, Supergirl, Supreme, Swamp Thing, Terrax the Tamer, Void, Waverider, Wildfire, Wonder Woman
Low
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Animal Man, Apocalypse, Apollo, The Atom, Bizarro Superman, Breach, Cassandra Nova, Cir-El, Count Nefaria, Damage, Darkness, Darwin, Doom, Death Metal, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Engineer, Etrigan, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Firestorm, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Gamora (w/Godslayer), Gilgamesh, Gorilla Grodd, Graviton, He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hulk, Iceman, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jack of Hearts, Jericho, Juggernaut (Classic), Kalibak, Lightray, Living Monolith, Lobo, Loki, Lunatik, Magneto, Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Manchester Black, Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Pulsar), Mr. M, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Prime, Professor X, Raven, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Sersi, Shadow King, Shaman, Starhawk, Super Skrull, Superboy, Tempest, Ultra Boy, Union, Vulcan, Winter
Metahuman (Mid-tier "Iron Man" level)
High
Abomination, Aquaman, Ares (Marvel), Atlas, Aurora, Blastaar, Blob, Captain Britain, Captain Marvel Jr, Colossus, Donna Troy, Emma Frost, Ghost Rider II, Grim Reaper, Guardian I, Hercules (Mortal), Holocaust, The Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Iron-Man, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Juggernaut (Depowered), Kang, Karate Kid, Living Laser, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Sinister, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Nimrod, Northstar, Osiris, Pitt, Plastic-Man, Polaris, Power Girl, Psylocke, Sand, Sasquatch, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Temugin, The Thing, Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Ultron, Vision, War Machine, Wonder Man, Zzaxx, Nightshade
Middle
Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Box, Carnage, Cloak, Crystal, Cyborg, Cyclops, Death's Head II, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Ghost Rider, Grace Choi, Havok, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Jenny Sparks, Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, M.O.D.O.K., Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nico Minoru, Ogun, Quicksilver (classic), Radioactive Man, Ragman, Rogue, Shadowcat, Shift, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Toxin, Vance Astro, Wonder Girl, Enchantress
Low
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Cyber, Dagger, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Machine Man, Man-Bat, Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Molly Hayes, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Nuke, Omega Red, Orka Humbug, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Rom, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Speedball, Speedfreek, Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, Swift, Thunder Cats, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Venom, Vermin, Victor Mancha, Vulture, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Warpath, Wizard, Wolverine, Wulfgar
Street Level
High
Bane, Batgirl, Batman, Black Cat, Black Panther, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, Captain America, The Cat, Constantine, Crossbones, Daredevil, Drakon, Elektra, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Ravager, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Taskmaster, Union Jack, X-23
Middle
Red Hood ,Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Joker, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Nomad, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Turok, Wildcat
Low
Batroc, Black Widow, Catwoman, Colleen Wing, Night Thrasher, Penguin, The Question, Riddler, Robin, Talia, White Tiger
Bumped the list, since it's been 3-4 pages.
Can we bump the High E down a tier?
Originally posted by Validus
Superman has "assraped" DS in two other comics. Moot point.
What about Despero?Allso Supergirl.........
:Haha Flash you are outside and have no air!!
😮h shit?I onlky have 20 se3conds to run back to an area with air?If only i could go multiples of LIght!!!
:Haha Jonn,prepare to be choked!!
😮h,No,if only i had laser vision,or could shapeshift or turn intangible!!!
Originally posted by Martian_mind
What about Despero?Allso Supergirl.........:Haha Flash you are outside and have no air!!
😮h shit?I onlky have 20 se3conds to run back to an area with air?If only i could go multiples of LIght!!!
:Haha Jonn,prepare to be choked!!
😮h,No,if only i had laser vision,or could shapeshift or turn intangible!!!
Still not seeing your point. J'onn being written like that is exactly why he's where he is.
Now if MM moves up, Supergirl would move up too.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
We have one when when written to full potential is shown to be above said character but constantly suffers from shit writing...
Superman at his best is moving around solar system sized ships by himself, taking supernova's to the chest and easily shrugging off wide scale reality warps.
In any case if you tried to make this list about the absolute best showings, EVERY hero on here would be High Top.
Jonn Shrugged off a univeral wide reality warp.....
Jonn helped move the earth and had the most rope whilst appearing to be straining the least....(When did Superman move a solar system size ship?)
Jonn stood in the heart of Asmodels scream....
Also Sheer versatlity should be in Jonn's corner as well....
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Jonn Shrugged off a univeral wide reality warp.....Jonn helped move the earth and had the most rope whilst appearing to be straining the least....(When did Superman move a solar system size ship?)
Jonn stood in the heart of Asmodels scream....
Also Sheer versatlity should be in Jonn's corner as well....
Your main argument seems to be the fact that J'onn is more versatile than Superman but we've gone over the versatility argument so many times it'd be useless to do so again.
Originally posted by Validus
During the JLA World War III arc, Superman moved Mageddon by himself which was said to dwarf the solar system in size.Your main argument seems to be the fact that J'onn is more versatile than Superman but we've gone over the versatility argument so many times it'd be useless to do so again.
He moved the Wheel of Maggedon,not Maggedon,and that was a shady feat.look at the size of the chains.
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomic138.jpg
Also,i think i missed the versatility debate,but Jonn is often portrayed as an awesome telepathy buuf.I mean if Jonn got to Superman mentally while going through Maggedons psychic wake,then that must have been millions of miles going through a psychic feild which could control the Old gods.That would make him one hell of a top-tier telepath would it not?
