Originally posted by Martian_mind
Yes he is!!!!I've been told not only power,but status get you there as well.Jonn is Dc's resident go-to-Telepath,he is acknowlledged as one of it's strongest and he is considered the JLA's heart and soul,his status puts him there too.
SHUT... UP.
Dammit, you're getting to intolerable levels annoyance here.
(Transcendent):
Amazo, The Asgardian Destroyer,Black Racer, Blackheart, Blaze, Circe, Count Abyss, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Dr. Fate, Dr. Strange (classic), Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, The General (Shaggy Man), Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), Jenny Quantum, The Keeper, King Thor, Magus (original), Mangog, Mogo(?), Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Stayne, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Tanaraq, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), Validus
Herald
High
Adam Warlock, All-Star Superman, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Genis-Vell, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), Infinity-Man, Majestic, Moonstone (w/ both stones), The Sentry, The Silver Surfer, Spartan 3.0, Stardust, Superman, Superman Blue/Red, Thor, The Void
Middle
Alexander Nero, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Cpt. Comet, Captain Marvel (DC), Cyborg Superman, Damien Hellstrom, Doomsday, The Eradicator, The Fallen One, Firelord, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John), Hyperion, Ikaris, Kid Omega, Magus (Post-IG), Martian Manhunter, Maxima, Mon-El, Morg, Nate Grey, Orion, Quasar, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Sinestro, Skreet, Supergirl, Supreme, Swamp Thing, Terrax the Tamer, Void, Waverider, Wildfire, Wonder Woman
Low
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Animal Man, Apocalypse, Apollo, Argent, The Atom, Bizarro Superman, Breach, Cassandra Nova, Cir-El, Count Nefaria, Damage, Darkness, Darwin, Doom, Death Metal, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Engineer, Etrigan, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Firestorm, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Gamora (w/Godslayer), Gilgamesh, Gorilla Grodd, Graviton, He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hulk, Iceman, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jack of Hearts, Jericho, Juggernaut (Classic), Kalibak, Lightray, Living Monolith, Lobo, Loki, Lunatik, Magneto, Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Manchester Black, Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Pulsar), Mr. M, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Prime, Professor X, Raven, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Sersi, Shadow King, Shaman, Starhawk, Super Skrull, Superboy, Tempest, Ultra Boy, Union, Vulcan, Winter
Metahuman (Mid-tier "Iron Man" level)
High
Abomination, Aquaman, Ares (Marvel), Atlas, Aurora, Blastaar, Blob, Captain Britain, Captain Marvel Jr, Colossus, Donna Troy, Emma Frost, Ghost Rider II, Grim Reaper, Guardian I, Hercules (Mortal), Holocaust, The Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Iron-Man, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Juggernaut (Depowered), Kang, Karate Kid, Living Laser, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Sinister, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Nimrod, Northstar, Osiris, Pitt, Plastic-Man, Polaris, Power Girl, Psylocke, Sand, Sasquatch, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Temugin, The Thing, Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Ultron, Vision, War Machine, Wonder Man, Zzaxx, Nightshade
Middle
Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Box, Carnage, Cloak, Crystal, Cyborg, Cyclops, Death's Head II, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Ghost Rider, Grace Choi, Havok, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Jenny Sparks, Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, M.O.D.O.K., Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nico Minoru, Ogun, Quicksilver (classic), Radioactive Man, Ragman, Rogue, Shadowcat, Shift, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Toxin, Vance Astro, Wonder Girl, Enchantress
Low
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Cyber, Dagger, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Machine Man, Man-Bat, Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Molly Hayes, Multiple Man, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Nuke, Omega Red, Orka Humbug, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Rom, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Speedball, Speedfreek, Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, Swift, Thunder Cats, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Venom, Vermin, Victor Mancha, Vulture, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Warpath, Wizard, Wolverine, Wulfgar
Street Level
High
Bane, Batgirl, Batman, Black Cat, Black Panther, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, Captain America, The Cat, AND FOR THE FIFTEEN MILLIONTH TIME... Constantine Drakon, Crossbones, Daredevil, Elektra, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Ravager, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Taskmaster, Union Jack, X-23
Middle
Red Hood ,Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Joker, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Nomad, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Turok, Wildcat
Low
Batroc, Black Widow, Catwoman, Colleen Wing, Night Thrasher, Penguin, The Question, Riddler, Robin, Talia, White Tiger
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Re: Re: KMC Comic Book Tiers
Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
There seems to be a problem here...
Just can't put my finger on it...
Ah yes, now I remember...Warlock, for whatever reason, seems (in my mind anyway) to be higher than Dr Doom...
And Warlock is Doom's clear superior in IG. So meh. Doom's got a lot of power, so it's not like it was an utterly crap showing.
In any case, it's still just a single showing. Warlock's win/loss total against peole even higher than Doom speaks for itself. He's I think 3-0 against Quasar. Punked Thor in his early days. Beat Drax on numerous occasions (even overpowered him at the height of his strength). Is more skilled and intelligent than nearly anyone I can think of in Marvel. Has single-handedly taken down multiple foes that took out the entire Infinity Watch. Etc. etc.
It's 1 low showing. And hoenstly, it's not as bad as most "low" showings, even for people in the High Heralds.
Do I need to post the Doom/Squirrel Girl fight for proof?
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Re: Re: Re: KMC Comic Book Tiers
Originally posted by DigiMark007Was that when Doom busted into Strange's house, and punked Surfer and Strange?
And Warlock is Doom's clear superior in IG. So meh. Doom's got a lot of power, so it's not like it was an utterly crap showing.In any case, it's still just a single showing. Warlock's win/loss total against peole even higher than Doom speaks for itself. He's I think 3-0 against Quasar. Punked Thor in his early days. Beat Drax on numerous occasions (even overpowered him at the height of his strength). Is more skilled and intelligent than nearly anyone I can think of in Marvel. Has single-handedly taken down multiple foes that took out the entire Infinity Watch. Etc. etc.
It's 1 low showing. And hoenstly, it's not as bad as most "low" showings, even for people in the High Heralds.
Do I need to post the Doom/Squirrel Girl fight for proof?
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Quaser seems to be a perfect enemy for Warlock, plus they have different powers (Quaser, and Doom). He also didn't use his Karmic blast on Doom.
That was when Warlock was more powerful, and even then, he lost.
Drax gets overpowered a lot. Good showing for Warlock, yes, but Doom wasn't using brute strength.
He might be more skilled, and intelligent, but really? Does this negate the loss?
2 low showings... 😛
Also, it may not be bad, but I'm just saying that the only fight they really had, had Doom taking out Warlock, not once, but twice.
Unlike the Firelord/Spider-Man fight (that will be mentioned), Doom has some good showings against people on that level.
Thor, Surfer, Strange, Magus ( 😖hifty: ), Meph, kept under constant watch by Thanos, Beyonder (ish), etc.
Go ahead, she also took out Thanos when he had the power to destroy the universe, low showing for Doom?
Not even close...
Also, Doom knows some good magic as well.
*Oh, and Digi, I was just ribbing you, since I knew you like Warlock so much😛*
Is this a bid for getting Doom up to mid? Because I was actually for that a while back. Because yes, he has some great showings including that one against Warlock.
I feel that Warlock is where he belongs. He's a blend of power, skill, intelligence, and versatility. None of them alone put him in High Herald, but together they're more than Mid.
Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
*Oh, and Digi, I was just ribbing you, since I knew you like Warlock so much😛*
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Originally posted by DigiMark007Maybe...
Is this a bid for getting Doom up to mid? Because I was actually for that a while back. Because yes, he has some great showings including that one against Warlock.I feel that Warlock is where he belongs. He's a blend of power, skill, intelligence, and versatility. None of them alone put him in High Herald, but together they're more than Mid.
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I agree about that. He afterall does seem to be on Surfer's level (although a good fight would be nice, even a stalemate with Surfer).
Just wondering about Warlock being above Doom... 😖hifty:
I swear that page 33 of this thread was filled with some of the nerdiest, pocketprotector hogwash i've seen yet on the net, surpassed only by the Starwars forums of SD.Net.
Way to take all the fun outta comics, needledikks!!
If i had my timbs on i'd walk to your homes and demand your lunch money....... and the panties of your mother.
Argent is street level, since the name sounds like a deodorant. Don't ask me to explain that, it's self explanatory.
Originally posted by UniOmni
I swear that page 33 of this thread was filled with some of the nerdiest, pocketprotector hogwash i've seen yet on the net, surpassed only by the Starwars forums of SD.Net.Way to take all the fun outta comics, needledikks!!
If i had my timbs on i'd walk to your homes and demand your lunch money....... and the panties of your mother.
Argent is street level, since the name sounds like a deodorant. Don't ask me to explain that, it's self explanatory.
Did you take offense at us straining your ability to think? 😛
Actually, Page 33 is kinda amusing.
Anyway, I agree bran. Warlock has some great showings on an intellectual level (Infinity Crusade, IG, etc.) and a few good "fights" (Against that Dark Dr. Strange that punked the Infinity Watch, Against Drax more than once, against Magus, stealing the Thanos-clone's soul, Quasar, etc.) but lacks a truly definitive "High Herald" showing. I still think he's there, because he's not all about raw power....but he has enough of it that I think it's justified.
He DID survive a Black Hole once, and crashing to a planet without any ill effects. So there's some durability too.
warlock also got punk'd by . . . what was him name again . . . goes by that utterly appropriate moniker . . . prince of . . . POWER!!!!
oh, that would be hercules, for those who have no clue what i'm talking about. 😄
and i would second doom moving up.
someone still needs to deal with deathlok and rom though. they are REALLY misplaced.
and i'm thinking we should maybe specify the version of the character. ie--white tiger. that must be white tiger IV, correct? there was a white tiger (cool character) in heroes for hire for a while and she was actually a REAL white tiger (like a were-tiger or something . . .) and took down man-beast. THAT white tiger should be low meta, maybe . . .
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Did you take offense at us straining your ability to think? 😛
Listen needledikk, i can go all brainy like the rest of them when the time cometh,(ie, tests/exams) but page 33 was the most needlessly nerdy and stereotypical arguing i've seen yet, on KMC.
Tell you what.........
You go edit Wikipedia, cuz i think someone misprinted some information about quasars and tachions, and i'll try to find a pretty female at the club that i wouldn't mind sitting on my face later tonight, umkay?
Kthxbye!!
No heat, and all in jest, but i really am gonna try to find a girl to sit on my face for later.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Listen needledikk, i can go all brainy like the rest of them when the time cometh,(ie, tests/exams) but page 33 was the most needlessly nerdy and stereotypical arguing i've seen yet, on KMC.Tell you what.........
You go edit Wikipedia, cuz i think someone misprinted some information about quasars and tachions, and i'll try to find a pretty female at the club that i wouldn't mind sitting on my face later tonight, umkay?
Kthxbye!!
No heat, and all in jest, but i really am gonna try to find a girl to sit on my face for later.
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well, digi, you did say you wouldn't make my pick tomorrow . . . 😖hifty:
i know you luv aw. i like him too -- not as much as i used to before marvel went nuts with all it's cosmic characters 🙁 he's just so . . . weird.
i don't really care if he stays where he is. i just always think of the battle with odin where he basically stayed away and pretty much acknowledged he wasn't in the pure power league with drax and ss.
he does make up for it in other ways though, so like i said, i don't care if he stays. 🙂
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Transcendent:
Amazo, The Asgardian Destroyer,Black Racer, Blackheart, Blaze, Circe, Count Abyss, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Dr. Fate, Dr. Strange (classic), Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, The General (Shaggy Man), Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), Jenny Quantum, The Keeper, King Thor, Magus (original), Mangog, Mogo(?), Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Stayne, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Tanaraq, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), Validus
Herald
High
Adam Warlock, All-Star Superman, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Genis-Vell, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), Infinity-Man, Majestic, Moonstone (w/ both stones), The Sentry, The Silver Surfer, Spartan 3.0, Stardust, Superman, Superman Blue/Red, Thor, The Void
Middle
Alexander Nero, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Cpt. Comet, Captain Marvel (DC), Cyborg Superman, Damien Hellstrom, Doomsday, The Eradicator, The Fallen One, Firelord, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John), Hyperion, Ikaris, Kid Omega, Magus (Post-IG), Martian Manhunter, Maxima, Mon-El, Morg, Nate Grey, Orion, Quasar, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Sinestro, Skreet, Supergirl, Supreme, Swamp Thing, Terrax the Tamer, Void, Waverider, Wildfire, Wonder Woman
Low
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Animal Man, Apocalypse, Apollo, Argent, The Atom, Bizarro Superman, Breach, Cassandra Nova, Cir-El, Count Nefaria, Damage, Darkness, Darwin, Doom, Death Metal, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Engineer, Etrigan, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Firestorm, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Gamora (w/Godslayer), Gilgamesh, Gorilla Grodd, Graviton, He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hulk, Iceman, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jack of Hearts, Jericho, Juggernaut (Classic), Kalibak, Lightray, Living Monolith, Lobo, Loki, Lunatik, Magneto, Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Manchester Black, Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Pulsar), Mr. M, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Prime, Professor X, Raven, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Sersi, Shadow King, Shaman, Starhawk, Super Skrull, Superboy, Tempest, Ultra Boy, Union, Vulcan, Winter
Metahuman
High
Abomination, Aquaman, Ares (Marvel), Atlas, Aurora, Blastaar, Blob, Captain Britain, Captain Marvel Jr, Colossus, Donna Troy, Emma Frost, Ghost Rider II, Grim Reaper, Guardian I, Hercules (Mortal), Holocaust, The Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Iron-Man, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Juggernaut (Depowered), Kang, Karate Kid, Living Laser, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Sinister, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Nimrod, Northstar, Osiris, Pitt, Plastic-Man, Polaris, Power Girl, Psylocke, Sand, Sasquatch, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Temugin, The Thing, Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Ultron, Vision, War Machine, Wonder Man, Zzaxx, Nightshade
Middle
Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Box, Carnage, Cloak, Crystal, Cyborg, Cyclops, Death's Head II, Deathlok, ]Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Ghost Rider, Grace Choi, Havok, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Jenny Sparks, Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, M.O.D.O.K., Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nico Minoru, Ogun, Quicksilver (classic), Radioactive Man, Ragman, Rogue, Rom, Shadowcat, Shift, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Toxin, Vance Astro, Wonder Girl, Enchantress
Low
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Cyber, Dagger, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Machine Man, Man-Bat, Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Molly Hayes, Multiple Man, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Nuke, Omega Red, Orka Humbug, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Speedball, Speedfreek, Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, Swift, Thunder Cats, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Venom, Vermin, Victor Mancha, Vulture, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Warpath, Wizard, Wolverine, Wulfgar
Street Level
High
Bane, Batgirl, Batman, Black Cat, Black Panther, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, Captain America, The Cat, AND FOR THE FIFTEEN MILLIONTH TIME... Constantine Drakon, Crossbones, Daredevil, Elektra, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Ravager, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Taskmaster, Union Jack, X-23
Middle
Red Hood ,Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Joker, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Nomad, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Turok, Wildcat
Low
Batroc, Black Widow, Catwoman, Colleen Wing, Night Thrasher, Penguin, The Question, Riddler, Robin, Talia, White Tiger
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and isn't rage very near cl100? low meta seems a little low for him. 😬