a lot of the placement is kinda based on . . . feel. it's weird. it's pretty easy to see in most tiers that one character kind of defines the tier and the others are placed in relation to that one. there are certain powersets that make placing characters very difficult and of course it's not perfect but it was never meant to be. it was originally proposed to help newbies make decent, non-lopsided threads. in that regard, i think it MOSTLY does its job.
Originally posted by leonidas
a lot of the placement is kinda based on . . . feel. it's weird. it's pretty easy to see in most tiers that one character kind of defines the tier and the others are placed in relation to that one. there are certain powersets that make placing characters very difficult and of course it's not perfect but it was never meant to be. it was originally proposed to help newbies make decent, non-lopsided threads. in that regard, i think it MOSTLY does its job.
Yeah, it became a bit too serious at one point. But then, that's how these things go.
But it helps, and does its job rather effectively, especially since it was always about general placement instead of rigid standards. We even got a flame-thread about it over on another comic forum, so we must be doing something right.
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So it's you putting your fingers in your ears and going "Lalalalala" as opposed to Hulk not winning.
Sub-Mariner #35.
The Defenders #10.
Thor #385.
Hulk #440.
Hulk wins the fight in all of these. Well, he would clearly have won in Defenders #10, but the fight got stopped. It was a stalemate, but if you consider that Hulk's strength grows over time, logic does the rest.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So it's you putting your fingers in your ears and going "Lalalalala" as opposed to Hulk not winning.Sub-Mariner #35.
The Defenders #10.
Thor #385.
Hulk #440.Hulk wins the fight in all of these. Well, he would clearly have won in Defenders #10, but the fight got stopped. It was a stalemate, but if you consider that Hulk's strength grows over time, logic does the rest.
-AC
Joke.
Defenders 10: Yeah, Thor's stalemated Hulk for a long time physically and it's supposed to be a loss? They're standing still, as physical equals. If Hulk's strenght supposedly skyrockets why didn't he just overpower Thor? And regardless, becoming physically stronger is hardly a victory....
Hulk 440: Thor was depowered, Hulk was powered up. Context is always fun. And this was not a victory for the Hulk either. He punched Thor away and then was struck by a bomb. Is this a supposed BFR? How is punching someone away a victory? Thor was far from defeated there....
Thor 385: http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Thor_1987_385_23.jpg
Hardly looks like a loss to me. Thor is willing to once again Throw away Mjolnir and fight Hulk. How is that a loss?
Sub-Mariner v1 35: Thor was separated from Mjolnir and would've turned into Blake. Once again, not a loss for Thor. It's a restriction placed on earth, and it would've been Donald Blake's loss IF it had happened. What you failed to bring up was that Thor reclaimed Mjolnir, and that he did not want to figth in the first place.
Like I said, great examples. No context, no argument, no brains.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Joke.Defenders 10: Yeah, Thor's stalemated Hulk for a long time physically and it's supposed to be a loss? They're standing still, as physical equals. If Hulk's strenght supposedly skyrockets why didn't he just overpower Thor? And regardless, becoming physically stronger is hardly a victory....
Hulk 440: Thor was depowered, Hulk was powered up. Context is always fun. And this was not a victory for the Hulk either. He punched Thor away and then was struck by a bomb. Is this a supposed BFR? How is punching someone away a victory? Thor was far from defeated there....
Thor 385: http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Thor_1987_385_23.jpg
Hardly looks like a loss to me. Thor is willing to once again Throw away Mjolnir and fight Hulk. How is that a loss?
Sub-Mariner v1 35: Thor was separated from Mjolnir and would've turned into Blake. Once again, not a loss for Thor. It's a restriction placed on earth, and it would've been Donald Blake's loss IF it had happened. What you failed to bring up was that Thor reclaimed Mjolnir, and that he did not want to figth in the first place.
Like I said, great examples. No context, no argument, no brains.
All I see are you giving me excuses as to why Thor lost and why it doesn't count, not legitimate examples of Hulk losing. You've proven that. Becoming physically stronger isn't a victory, becoming physically stronger and then using that, as we should assume Hulk would, is a victory.
If Hulk has done things to end the fight, like punching Thor away, then it's a win. Thor doesn't need to be battered or dead to have lost.
Thor certainly hasn't outright beat Hulk any more than Hulk can make cases for having beaten Thor.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
All I see are you giving me excuses as to why Thor lost and why it doesn't count, not legitimate examples of Hulk losing. You've proven that.Thor certainly hasn't outright beat Hulk any more than Hulk can make cases for having beaten Thor.
-AC
Make cases? Only an idiot would make a case for one siding losing when they are clearly stalemating....
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It ended the fight, did it not?You can't judge someone on how much they come back. You judge on their ability to not HAVE to come back.
-AC
That wasn't what ended the fight, the bomb was....
Their fight also spanned a very great distance and Thor/Hulk were punched far away from eachother several times. Thor could've been sent to another continent and the fight would not have been concluded.
Regardless, Hulk was powered up and Thor only had a fraction of his strength. When Hulk cannot knock Thor unconscious there, how can you claim it as a win?
