Originally posted by Battlehammer
Lion-O To be moved up a tier. He is phsycially a low meta, however the swords of O-Mans is rediculousl powerful, allow him to see on other parts of planets, see the future if not mistaken, grow in length, ability to cut pretty much anything, ability to create crazy energy shields that he can cover individuals in and transport them to another planet ect.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosifacepalm You can try and spin it all you want i dont see him being moved.
That is the best you can do.... so because others should be that means Tyrant should stay... wow great logic. So, please counter my points then.. nobody else can.. including Kris who I guess concedes
In other words there are other more powerfull than Tyrant in that tier.
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Against Tyrant
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Tyrant off the list.Against: llagrok, Harbinger, TricksterPriest, Nihilist, SuperiorTech
For: Kurupt, Leonidas
Originally posted by leonidas
more powerful than tyrant in WHAT tier? the trans? i really don't think there is . . .
Amazo, Validus, Asgardian destroyer, King Thor, The Doctor, Resurrection man 1 million, all stronger in my opinion.
Originally posted by leonidas
i'd actually agree with removing tyrant. 😬 he may not quite be at odin's level, but i think he's a lot closer to skyfather than he is to trans. and odin is the most powerful of the skyfathers, so a direct comparsion to odin is likley not the best way to go. based on the fact that the avengers gave zeus a decent fight (CM even hurt him) and yet no one doubts he is still above trans, makes me think tyrant should be off this list as well.as far as the general--he's tricky. i don't see him being above juggs either, and i was gonna bring kurse up as well. he should be dropped to mid, imo too. hard for anyone so 1-dimensional to be considered high herald.
and i brought this up a long time ago, but, it was never really addressed. could someone please tell me why sentinel is above hal? has he dfeated hal? what's he done to justify trans? 😕
I myself am kinda torn in regards to Tyrant. I mean there are undoubtedly other characters with more impressive feats, but 9 times out of 10 they also have lower showings that balance them out. Tyrant doesn't really have those. All we have to go off of is his owning heralds, getting the better of Thanos, and taking on Galactus.
Originally posted by darthgoober
That's definitely a point worth considering...I myself am kinda torn in regards to Tyrant. I mean there are undoubtedly other characters with more impressive feats, but 9 times out of 10 they also have lower showings that balance them out. Tyrant doesn't really have those. All we have to go off of is his owning heralds, getting the better of Thanos, and taking on Galactus.
Seriously, think about the incident with Galactus...
He was physically CUT and then he FORGOT about Tyrant's powers....
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Seriously, think about the incident with Galactus...He was physically CUT and then he FORGOT about Tyrant's powers....
Kris do you also remember WHY galactus choose to result to that method because Tyrant just absorbs his blast and made him stronger. That clearly was expected by Galactus and thus he needed to try something else which also failed. He didn't just try that he tried other things which failed and thus he resorted to that which also failed. The fight was pretty one-sided and clearly Tyrant had the better of Galactus that is without doubt. Tyrant cut galactus as they exchange blows which made galactus yelp in pain... Galactus grabs some hair lol then blast Tyrant which hurt him yet also made him stronger and thus galactus was like wtf do I do my blasts are just making this enemy stronger. What is Galactus main weapon when fighting... blasting... So, you don't think that concerned him LOL LOL. He then tried the tactic your referring to and got further owned. I see no reason how Tyrant shouldn't be moved off the list considering who he beat and got the better of. Yes he has limited showings but his powerful is clear. Shoot by galactus own words and actions it's clear he was afraid of the confrontation and avoided it at first and then when he knew it was coming fed and prepped for the fight. Shoot SS own words were I must go there before they BOTH destroy eachother.. Seems he was also on the same page huh? You won't address any of these points just like before and will just say he doesn't deserve to be moved lol. Thanks
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Seriously, think about the incident with Galactus...He was physically CUT and then he FORGOT about Tyrant's powers....
In the heat of battle you can forget all kinds of things. It's also entirely possible that he didn't actually forget about Tyrants powers but rather underestimated them. Galactus's relationship with his ship is very similar to Surfer's relationship with his board(to the point that Galactus recalled it during the Infinity war by yelling "To me my vessel"😉 so for Tyrant to be able to override Galactus's control of his tech is quite a feat in and of itself.
But don't get me wrong because like I said I'm torn on the subject of whether or not he qualifies as a skyfather. Personally, I think he ought to be taken off the list just because there's not really enough to go off of. If we throw out Galactus due to PIS it means we're going off of two showings, and that doesn't really seem like enough to base his placement on.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Technically Galactus's visible form isn't his actual form, it's just how lesser beings perceive him. So he wasn't actually cut, it was just how our minds interpret what really happened to him.
I know, which is why I posted this V
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
The invisible woman punched a huge hole through Galactus' chest and BRB broke his "tentacles" or something.Like he told invisible woman and like we saw in the cosmic trial of Reed Richards, Galactus is above physical harm and has a million different shapes. If his appearance is dictated by the person who's perceiving him, how can cutting off a limb, taking out an eye or shooting his body make any difference? 🙂
He should not logically be harmed by physical attacks. While they might cut into his form, they do not hurt him. You know this, I know this, some people have a hard time understanding it.
Originally posted by darthgoober
In the heat of battle you can forget all kinds of things. It's also entirely possible that he didn't actually forget about Tyrants powers but rather underestimated them. Galactus's relationship with his ship is very similar to Surfer's relationship with his board(to the point that Galactus recalled it during the Infinity war by yelling "To me my vessel"😉 so for Tyrant to be able to override Galactus's control of his tech is quite a feat in and of itself.
Galactus does not forget, he is Galactus 😐
Cyborg Superman was able to manipulate the source wall. Technopathy feats evidently do not make much of a difference here. Doom was also able to use the technology there and Nova too could affect it. The Korvac which initially absorbed all the knowledge also had very, very basic powers, barely technopathy. It is not that impressive actually.
Originally posted by darthgoober
But don't get me wrong because like I said I'm torn on the subject of whether or not he qualifies as a skyfather. Personally, I think he ought to be taken off the list just because there's not really enough to go off of. If we throw out Galactus due to PIS it means we're going off of two showings, and that doesn't really seem like enough to base his placement on.
We throw out PIS showings, that is just how it is. But regardless, all the showing does is prove that Tyrant has technopathy, not that he is comparable to Galactus in power. We already know that Tyrant has technopathy.
I'm also seriously doubting the portrayals of Galactus there. Supposedly he cannot even combat this little fella without destroying the galaxies around them? Yet he can be defeated and almost killed by many other things which do not cause any kind of surrounding damage? Come on...
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I know, which is why I posted this VHe should not logically be harmed by physical attacks. While they might cut into his form, they do not hurt him. You know this, I know this, some people have a hard time understanding it.
Galactus does not forget, he is Galactus 😐
Cyborg Superman was able to manipulate the source wall. Technopathy feats evidently do not make much of a difference here. Doom was also able to use the technology there and Nova too could affect it. The Korvac which initially absorbed all the knowledge also had very, very basic powers, barely technopathy. It is not that impressive actually.
We throw out PIS showings, that is just how it is. But regardless, all the showing does is prove that Tyrant has technopathy, not that he is comparable to Galactus in power. We already know that Tyrant has technopathy.
I'm also seriously doubting the portrayals of Galactus there. Supposedly he cannot even combat this little fella without destroying the galaxies around them? Yet he can be defeated and almost killed by many other things which do not cause any kind of surrounding damage? Come on...
Was the Source wall actively fighting Cyborg's influence or Galactus actively fighting against the influence of Nova, Doom, or Korvak? It's the fact that he took control FROM Galactus that makes the feat so impressive.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I doubt it was simply a physical attack if it was a weapon wielded by a former herald of Galactus. Surfer's board isn't metal, it hardened cosmic energy. So by the same token it would make sense for Tyrant's blade to be the same.
It was his claws.
And by that same logic Surfer's fists would be able to harm Galactus, or Mjolnir.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
It was his claws.And by that same logic Surfer's fists would be able to harm Galactus, or Mjolnir.
I thought Thor's hammer HAD hurt Galactus before(very possible that I was misinformed though)? If not, it HAS hurt Celestials.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfer's fist don't have a lethal edge and he's not as powerful as Tyrant.I thought Thor's hammer HAD hurt Galactus before(very possible that I was misinformed though)? If not, it HAS hurt Celestials.
Power isn't the point....
Physically hitting Galactus shouldn't have any effect and it doesn't. In Stormbreaker BRB was able to affect what he perceived as Galactus, but it didn't actually do damage. Hurting Celestials is temporary....
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I know, which is why I posted this VHe should not logically be harmed by physical attacks. While they might cut into his form, they do not hurt him. You know this, I know this, some people have a hard time understanding it.
Galactus does not forget, he is Galactus 😐
Cyborg Superman was able to manipulate the source wall. Technopathy feats evidently do not make much of a difference here. Doom was also able to use the technology there and Nova too could affect it. The Korvac which initially absorbed all the knowledge also had very, very basic powers, barely technopathy. It is not that impressive actually.
We throw out PIS showings, that is just how it is. But regardless, all the showing does is prove that Tyrant has technopathy, not that he is comparable to Galactus in power. We already know that Tyrant has technopathy.
I'm also seriously doubting the portrayals of Galactus there. Supposedly he cannot even combat this little fella without destroying the galaxies around them? Yet he can be defeated and almost killed by many other things which do not cause any kind of surrounding damage? Come on...
How exactly is that PIS? It's not like he went to that right away first of all. Second, Kris please explain how Galactus using battles opponents... He blasts them correct? So, his main weapon was taken away from him and only made his worthy enemy stronger. That is when he decided to use his ship which also further caused him to get owned. So, how is that PIS? That is how galactus usually fights and you had tyrant fighting in character with his abilities.
Furthermore, could somebcdy can exlain how Galactus own words and actions don't speak towards him treating even a DP Tyrant as a worthy foe. He backed down from a fight when they originally meet over morg. Tyrant is ready to fight and Galactus wants no part of it. Galactus even says fighting Tyrant will cause a lot of collateral damage. He even makes sure he's well FED on a planet ripe with nutrients and even comments on how good he feels and hasn't felt like that in awhile. So, clearly he felt he need to be in tip top shape for the upcoming battle he knew was coming. Sounds pretty clear he was well aware he was fighting somebody powerful and worthy doesn't it?
How about SS own words.... I must go there because they are BOTH going to destroy eachother. Hmmm seems to suggest ss even knows how powerful Tyrant is and fears for Galactus.
How are you guys looking past those parts of the story which confirm what level Tyrant is at. Galactus doesn't due his usually dismissive arrogant self does he.... Hmmmm wonder why? Maybe because Tyrant was made in his image to be on par with him. Not quite but very close. Even in a DP state he is so far above just a normal herald its ludicris.
So, you can't just sit here and call PIS just because you don't like how the fight turned out. Both fought within their abilities and typical how they usually fight. The fight happened and he clearly had a Abstract level being on the ropes needing help. That along with getting the better of Thanos who also very clearly understands Tyrant power. Do you think he backs down and admits somebody could kill him if they coudln't? Don't think so and everybody knows it. He's a fellow trans member and some claim could be a skyfather. So, clearly he's above that level by thanos own words. Thanos fought another skyfather pre upgrade and never made the same comments or actions as he did with Tyrant. All this points to Tyrant being well above Trans level by on panel proof, words and actions of other characters