KMC Comic Book Tiers

Originally posted by Galan007
definitely for kurse to mid-herald, or even lower.

he's got more than enough strength to warrant the classification, but he does not have the versatility i feel is required [even for the mid-herald tier.] it seems that almost any of the established mid-heralders could easily defeat him [via BFR, intangibility, speed, transmutation, etc] in a standard/PIS-free forum match.

imo, of course. 🙂

But smart people could do that to almost any high level bricks like Juggs or Hulk, they can be BFR. So does that warrant them for a move down also? LH is not a good placement for him since he went toe to toe with Thor.

Kurse lower than mid herald? Where we keep Shaggy Man, Juggernaut, Hulk, the Shazam people, etc?

Ha - ha - ha

Originally posted by starlock
I agree...maybe low herald?

Originally posted by The Nuul
But smart people could do that to almost any high level bricks like Juggs or Hulk they can be BFR. So does that warrant them for a move down also?

meaning, if you have a complete brick like hulk - in an actual comic most of the time he's never going to just get BFR'd right off the bat, because let's face it, BFR is boring. boring doesn't sell... over the top battles do.

but from a forum standpoint, if hulk were facing almost any of the mid-heralders on the list in a standard battle, he's going to lose *quickly* every single time, via something as simple as BFR. why? because on KMC, characters don't have to follow the same rules they would in a comic. here they use their abilities to the max.

all how you look at things. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
kind of where i was going.... though i don't expect that notion to fly at all.

depends how you look at the characters [ie. from a 'purely comic standpoint', or a 'forum standpoint']

meaning, if you have a complete brick like hulk - in an actual comic most of the time he's never going to just get BFR'd right off the bat, because let's face it, BFR is boring. boring doesn't sell... over the top battles do.

but from a forum standpoint, if hulk were facing almost any of the mid-heralders on the list in a standard battle, he's going to lose *quickly* every single time, via something as simple as BFR. why? because on KMC, characters don't have to follow the same rules they would in a comic. here they use their abilities to the max.

all how you look at things. 🙂

I think we shouldn't be looking at this as a Vs. between characters in a certain tier, but rather overall power of each individual character.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
So do you think we should move Hulk, Juggernaut, etc down to low herald?

I think we shouldn't be looking at this as a Vs. between characters in a certain tier, but rather overall power of each individual character.

Originally posted by Galan007
i sorta/kinda agree. but at the same time, if almost any of the mid-heralders would be capable of defeating kurse in a standard versus match, why have him there? because in a few comics thor failed to properly use the abilities at his disposal, and was beaten h2h?

There are comic situations that don't allow for BFR and there are many vs. matches that don't.

I'm not saying Kurse would beat them without BFR, but if a character would win a fair majority in one fairly common situation but loses a fair majority in another, are they necessarily lower?

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Because we don't judge by standard vs. matches, do we?

There are comic situations that don't allow for BFR and there are many vs. matches that don't.

I'm not saying Kurse would beat them without BFR, but if a character would win a fair majority in one fairly common situation but loses a fair majority in another, are they necessarily lower?

point being, versatility is one of the key reasons characters [especially in the herald tiers] are placed where they are. granted, i do understand that kurse is nigh-invulnerable and has ridiculous strength - and i also understand that if we remove character options like i mentioned above [ie. BFR/transmutation/etc] from a versus match, kurse really can't be beaten... but then we are, in essence, crippling one character, in order to give another character the edge. is that fair? not imo.

We aren't an extension of the vs. forum here. Despite galan's points, which are valid, the tiers have nothing to do with what would happen in a "standard" vs. forum match. Rather, more akin to what Smurph was saying, it's more a composite ranking of how they'd do in any situation.

As it is, he's up for a vote, down to MH from HH. I assume Galan is for? 😛

People should consider moving King Thor off the list.

Originally posted by Digi
We aren't an extension of the vs. forum here. Despite galan's points, which are valid, the tiers have nothing to do with what would happen in a "standard" vs. forum match. Rather, more akin to what Smurph was saying, it's more a composite ranking of how they'd do in any situation.

As it is, he's up for a vote, down to MH from HH. I assume Galan is for? 😛

I support the move down to mid herald as well. The idea of low herald however is just plain ridiculous.

Originally posted by Digi
We aren't an extension of the vs. forum here. Despite galan's points, which are valid, the tiers have nothing to do with what would happen in a "standard" vs. forum match. Rather, more akin to what Smurph was saying, it's more a composite ranking of how they'd do in any situation.

As it is, he's up for a vote, down to MH from HH. I assume Galan is for? 😛

and yes, i am for the downgrade.
herbsmile

I repeat my nomination of Swamp Thing to trans

Originally posted by Galan007
so it's mainly a 'from a comic standpoint' ranking system? m'kay, i wasn't aware. 👆

and yes, i am for the downgrade.
herbsmile

It's not explicitly stated, but is implied in the "total power" criteria of the opening post. We have to consider all scenarios. The list is, after all, general rankings, and not intended as a guide to who beats whom in a particular style of matchup.

But misunderstanding cleared up. Consider your vote counted.

🙂

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I repeat my nomination of Swamp Thing to trans

I know nothing about him. Others?

For Kurse to Mid

Originally posted by Digi
I know nothing about him. Others?

-he has beaten characters like captain atom, red tornado, aquaman, grundy, green lanterns, superman, firestorm, constantine, etrigan, tefe, etc.; with the utmost of ease.
-he can dimension hop/teleport/time travel.
-steal souls.
-has literally 'grown' his mind outward in order to learn the secrets of the multiverse.
-is highly resistant to TP-related attacks, and nigh-immune to magic.
-he alone is more powerful than any of the other elemental parliments. this enables him to have control over ALL of the elements, at standard levels.
-his uncanny regrowing ability makes him, for all intents and purposes, unkillable [even by the likes of anti-matter.]

not sure if the above 'factors' warrant an upgrade to trans-level, though. i mean, are there certain trans-level characters i feel ST could defeat? sure. do i feel that he is portrayed as a trans-level-character in the majority of his showings? not really.

Unless Grundy is being moved to Mid-Herald as well, I'm against Kurse moving. He's got more than enough raw strength and durability to be a thread to most in the high herald bracket, barring BFR.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Unless Grundy is being moved to Mid-Herald as well

Originally posted by Galan007
i would also be for that downgrade. imo, pure bricks have no place in the high-herald tier.

I will agree with that.

I support Grundy and Kurse for a downgrade to MH.

Cool, then. Kurse and Grundy for Mid Meta Herald.

For Grundy. don't know crap about Kurse, though...

Originally posted by -Pr-
For Grundy. don't know crap about Kurse, though...

You'll never be wrong.