KMC Comic Book Tiers

Originally posted by Digi
I'll sign off on Mid. My initial suggestion of low was just a knee-jerk reaction to seeing more of her in the old TV series than in actual comics, and from not believing any of the Herald-level BS Blair tried with her at one point in a tourney. So my vote can be added.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Captain Boomerang

Hm.

low/mid meta ?

Originally posted by batdude123
Low.

Anybody else ?

Originally posted by Digi
I'll sign off on Mid. My initial suggestion of low was just a knee-jerk reaction to seeing more of her in the old TV series than in actual comics, and from not believing any of the Herald-level BS Blair tried with her at one point in a tourney. So my vote can be added.

You mean Darkcrawler? Besides the point, she'd blow Spidy up in a sub atomic blast.

Three for Mid then?

Originally posted by Digi
I'll sign off on Mid. My initial suggestion of low was just a knee-jerk reaction to seeing more of her in the old TV series than in actual comics, and from not believing any of the Herald-level BS Blair tried with her at one point in a tourney. So my vote can be added.

I'll go against putting her on mid then.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
You mean Darkcrawler? Besides the point, she'd blow Spidy up in a sub atomic blast.

Three for Mid then?

Originally posted by Creshosk
She's gotta be mid meta.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
👆

Mid seems fine.

Originally posted by Digi
I'll sign off on Mid.

That is me and two others.

The only reasoning being used against placing her there goes against the rules of the thread by basing the opinion of individual matches rather than the power level.

This is the problem with Cresh.

He's not a fanboy, he just wants Jubilee a bit higher than I think she should go. I can't really call fanboyism on it when it's just a slight difference in opinion. It's annoying 🙁

I could see putting classic Jubilee at mid if the list was based off of powerset alone, but the fact that status also factors into it has me thinking that low meta is more appropriate. Her powers had lots in the way of potential, but she never really did anything particularly impressive to my knowledge(but if I'm wrong about that feel free to correct me).

Originally posted by darthgoober
I could see putting classic Jubilee at mid if the list was based off of powerset alone, but the fact that status also factors into it has me thinking that low meta is more appropriate. Her powers had lots in the way of potential, but she never really did anything particularly impressive to my knowledge(but if I'm wrong about that feel free to correct me).

that's sort of my feeling as well. she COULD affect matter at the subatomic level, but the only time i saw her do that was when synch synch'd with her. if there were other times where she knowing did so on her own, feel free to share. seems low meta is appropriate to me unless someon brings in some convincing scans to show otherwise. 😬

Originally posted by Philosophía
Anybody else ?

Mid.

He took out an Apokolyptian....

Originally posted by leonidas
that's sort of my feeling as well. she COULD affect matter at the subatomic level, but the only time i saw her do that was when synch synch'd with her. if there were other times where she knowing did so on her own, feel free to share. seems low meta is appropriate to me unless someon brings in some convincing scans to show otherwise. 😬

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Creshosk/KMC/Jubilee/MickeyPizza.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Creshosk/KMC/Jubilee/MickeyPizza2.jpg

It even says that he's using her powers in ways that she's afraid to:
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/212/hrxmen03618pd6.jpg

This is the "once" when she took out "a whole house".
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Creshosk/KMC/Jubilee/__hr_Page18.jpg

As you can see the explosion is felt/heard a good distance away.

Here she's doing what's commonly known as a "death blossom"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Creshosk/KMC/Jubilee/__hr_Page182.jpg
She destroyed the metal chain on the cage.

And here she destroyed one of the skin tight suit s that the genoshians slapped onto their "mutates" back during the X-tinction agenda.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Creshosk/KMC/Jubilee/UncannyX-Men272-14.jpg

And destroying a tentacle that's holding wolverine back.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Creshosk/KMC/Jubilee/UncannyX-Men27504.jpg

Here she and gambit create an explosion that not only knocks gladiator down but its felt a kilometer away.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Creshosk/KMC/Jubilee/Uncanny_X-Men_276_09.jpg
It's also Jubilee's blast signature that's recognized.

She's also the one that was able to effect Wolverine as Deat, after he waded through cyclop's optic blasts, and the telekenisis of Jean grey, Cable and Nate Grey.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Creshosk/KMC/Jubilee/brakatoom.jpg

So I'd say that she's above low meta. Unless none of those showings would place her there. Because remember, this isn't about who beats who. this is about power levels as it says in the rules of this thread.

So since this tier list is about "power levels".

Why can the name of the thread be changed?

Something like this..

KMC Comic Book Power Level Tiers.

Originally posted by The Nuul
So since this tier list is about "power levels".

Why can the name of the thread be changed?

Something like this..

KMC Comic Book Power Level Tiers.

1. This list is based off of total "power" in all its forms. Individual matchups might mean that someone in a lower tier could beat someone in a higher tier, but we're basing the list on general power levels, not individual matchups.

Particularly the bolded.

Yeah, but Cresh.

Destroying a house when you'er almost going all out, isn't impressive. It's not that incredible for a low meta. Iron Fist was able to stalemate a truckload full of explosives. We don't even need to go into Gambit. Green Goblin has explosives that can at least take out a house, a sentinel even. Those scans only justify her placement in low meta. And when you take a look at the mid-meta tier, we can see that she's way out of her league. For starters, Jubilee would be the only one without any kind of defensive measures. She is very lacking in versatility there.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Yeah, but Cresh.

Destroying a house when you'er almost going all out, isn't impressive.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
It's not that incredible for a low meta. Iron Fist was able to stalemate a truckload full of explosives.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
We don't even need to go into Gambit.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Green Goblin has explosives that can at least take out a house,

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
a sentinel even. Those scans only justify her placement in low meta.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
And when you take a look at the mid-meta tier, we can see that she's way out of her league.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
For starters, Jubilee would be the only one without any kind of defensive measures. She is very lacking in versatility there.

But I get it, you don't want her on the same rank as Hellion.

Originally posted by Creshosk
First off it wasn't a house, it was a mansion. Second, shewasn't going all out when she destroyed the mansion . She lost control of her power. So she accidentally destroyed it.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That has what to do with this?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Personally I think that being able to practiacally instantly do what it takes gambit time to charge up to do means Jubilee>Gambit power wise.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Which again requires set up that Jubilee doesn't need.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You've got really fu[b]cked up idea s about what's low powered superhuman. Those feats were at least mid meta. And the point of them was destroying matter on a subatomic level anyway.
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Originally posted by Creshosk
Again this is NOT about who beats who. I do wish you'd stop ignoring that rule just because it doesn't suit you.

Originally posted by Creshosk
So do I need to start posting her agility feats? And she uses her fireworks defensively all the time..

Originally posted by Creshosk
But I get it, you don't want her on the same rank as Hellion.

Hellion is in mid-meta. So yes, naturally I would not want her in that rank. I do not want her in the same rank as Molly Hayes, Victor Mancha or Vance Astro either. Point?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
She is screaming "Noooooo"

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Comparison is too complex for you? I'll break it down. I am comparing her feat to that of another low meta, this is not complicated. I'm doing this so that you'll have a better understanding of a low meta's capabilities.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Too bad Gambit's so much faster than Jubilee that it's not even funny. By the time she was actually able to "instantly" do something, he could've covered her in cards. And he still has a great advantage in sheer amount of power.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
It's part of his standard powers. We don't discredit Iron Man because he requires his suit in order to do something. Goblin bombs are part of Goblin's STANDARD equipment.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Once again, throwing around words and definition.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Elixir can rearrange and control the biological structure of matter. We've still got him at low meta.

No, ofcourse not, you've probably never studied that far into biology, chemistry or particle physics.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Combat capabilities DO factor in, regardless of what you think.

A person on a lower level can take a person on a higher level. this is not about who beats who despite what you think, its in the rules.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
And it's not just about that, but the level these characters operate. Jubilee taking out a mansion stands out like a glowing peak of her abilities. Mid-Metas can take out cities.

That "glowing peak" was when she wasn't trying. Even in the warehouse she wasn't trying to hurt people.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
And practically ALL of them have some degree of versatility to them and/or defensive measures. Scans of jubilee shooting some approaching object or jumping out of the way, is not exactly a great defensive measure.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
It's not on the line with protective bubbles, superhuman durability, energy absorption and so on. It's more on the line with "gunning down something" which even the Punisher can pull off fairly easily.

Those super cool scans where she jumps around at something that might make it to "above average human" ? No thanks. I'm good. Considering that there are people in low-street with agility that far eclipses hers, I'd steer clear. And since we were discussing Gambit earlier, that'd be a losing battle.

Hellion is in mid-meta. So yes, naturally I would not want her in that rank. I do not want her in the same rank as Molly Hayes, Victor Mancha or Vance Astro either. Point?

I'll break it down very simply.

Practically everybody in mid meta are more powerful, more experienced, more versatile.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I could see putting classic Jubilee at mid if the list was based off of powerset alone,

Originally posted by Digi
[b]Notes:
1. This list is based off of total "power" in all its forms. Individual matchups might mean that someone in a lower tier could beat someone in a higher tier, but we're basing the list on general power levels, not individual matchups. [/B]

And again, the above scans were to show that she's not just light displays that she effects matter.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I could see putting classic Jubilee at mid if the list was based off of powerset alone, but the fact that status also factors into it has me thinking that low meta is more appropriate. Her powers had lots in the way of potential, but she never really did anything particularly impressive to my knowledge(but if I'm wrong about that feel free to correct me).

Status actually isn't a factor. It just became an unofficial one some time ago for a few people in regards to the High Herald tier. Why, I'm not sure. It should not be considered.

...

While we're discussing things: no, the list is not based off of individual matchups, but total power. However, the only way to accurately determine total power in regard to the tiers is to look at the people in the tier itself. So while it's not advisable to pick out 1-2 case studies to make a point, we can and should look at numerous people in a tier for general comparison purposes. Kris and Cresh, you guys seem to be going back and forth on this point, so it seemed like it needed clarification.

And when did Synch amp Jubilee? Leo makes a valid point that if her best feat was with outside help, it's not really a best personal feat. It speaks to potential, yes, but we can't judge based on potential. I'm not changing my vote, but clarification would be nice.

Also, Kris, I don't see a ton of Mid Metas that are city-destroyers. If they are, they might be better served in High Meta, also a place where not everyone can level a city (though some can by that point). That comment struck me as a bit of hyperbole.

Originally posted by Digi
Also, Kris, I don't see a ton of Mid Metas that are city-destroyers. If they are, they might be better served in High Meta, also a place where not everyone can level a city (though some can by that point). That comment struck me as a bit of hyperbole.

It's not an average mid-meta feat, it's Iron Fist's best. Which was sort of my point, we do not place someone based off on their highest feats. Clearly Iron Fist has the potential for a lot of destruction, but we do not judge his placement based on that, we use his average. The same should apply to Jubilee.