Originally posted by DigiWhere does it say that he did? In fact the speech that frost gives says that the reason that she was having Synch do it is just because Jubilee was afraid to and it was quicker just to get him to do it.
And when did Synch amp Jubilee?
But it never says that he amped her power in that situation. It's not until much later that Synch ever uses a power better than the original user.
Originally posted by The NuulA mansion is considerably larger than just a house.
A Mansion is a house.I am not convinced that Jubs is that powerful to be in Mid Meta. Shes not as powerful and doesnt have the experience as some of the others in MM.
My vote is Low Meta for now.
That's like saying a semi is a truck.
Originally posted by The NuulJargon is irrelevant. Unless you think Mandarin of all people would be dwelling in a regular little house?
A mansion is a very large dwelling house. U.S. realtors define a mansion as a dwelling of over 7000 square feet (650 m2).Its commercial property its a residential property known as a house.
Originally posted by Digi
[QUOTE=12175501]Originally posted by darthgoober
[B]I could see putting classic Jubilee at mid if the list was based off of powerset alone, but the fact that status also factors into it has me thinking that low meta is more appropriate.
Does this mean that Goober's vote is for mid meta?
And like I said, the scans I showed were for the destruction of matter. The scan that mentions sub atomic level never says that's her potential. Just that that's how she uses her powers and has been afraid to use them.
And has been stated, city destroyers are not mid meta.
I know this is not canon, but its important to note the similarities in power between the two worlds
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Creshosk/KMC/Jubilee/__hr_GatX4Page10.jpg
So, since this tier thread is about "power levels", why are people like Hulk at Mid Herald? Bricks are not powerful, they are durable/HF, good fighters and strong. They should be in low meta in terms of power. Just because they are team wreckers and tank a lot that also doesnt equal power. Plastic Man is also in Low Herald and he doesnt have a power to make him powerful.
Originally posted by The Nuul
Cyke cannot destroy a city?
Originally posted by The Nuul
So, since this tier thread is about "power levels", why are people like Hulk at Mid Herald? Bricks are not powerful, they are durable/HF, good fighters and strong. They should be in low meta in terms of power. Just because they are team wreckers and tank a lot that also doesnt equal power. Plastic Man is also in Low Herald and he doesnt have a power to make him powerful.
Originally posted by Digi
Status actually isn't a factor. It just became an unofficial one some time ago for a few people in regards to the High Herald tier. Why, I'm not sure. It should not be considered....
Also, Kris, I don't see a ton of Mid Metas that are city-destroyers. If they are, they might be better served in High Meta, also a place where not everyone can level a city (though some can by that point). That comment struck me as a bit of hyperbole.
Originally posted by Digi
Status actually isn't a factor. It just became an unofficial one some time ago for a few people in regards to the High Herald tier. Why, I'm not sure. It should not be considered.
And as for why it started, Val's one of the guys you put in charge and he was one of the guys who started pushing for status to be a factor. I'm not saying that you're wrong about status, just pointing out the conflicting views on it(since I'm pretty sure he was bringing up status when Power Girl and Wonder Man were being discussed).
hrm. cresh has some good points. her powerset is quite potent. one of the things that ha NOT been mentioned though, was the ORIGINAL purpose of the thread--it was originally designed to make sure that new-comers wouldn't make lop-sided threads. so in THAT sense, how the individual would do in battle with others in their tier DOES play a factor. how do you think jube's would fare against most in the mid tier, cresh?
Originally posted by leonidasA cursory glance tells me there are a few names on their I believe she could pull off a some wins against. Particularly in a blood lusted mode she could pull off a higher number of wins.
hrm. cresh has some good points. her powerset is quite potent. one of the things that ha NOT been mentioned though, was the ORIGINAL purpose of the thread--it was originally designed to make sure that new-comers wouldn't make lop-sided threads. so in THAT sense, how the individual would do in battle with others in their tier DOES play a factor. how do you think jube's would fare against most in the mid tier, cresh?
her potential is a lot higher than that which is shown. Given that one alternate rteality counter part worked on her powers beyond that which was seen in either AoA or 616. Such as Vertigo, who could bend light through the control of a type of sub-atomic particle: The Photon.
Her potential is enormous based on what was seen in that alternate reality where she developed to that point. Particularly if you've studied particle physics to understand exactly what photons are. Most people know photons as being that which makes light. But they don't realize that its a particle that carries the electromagnetic radiation. Her potential of what could have been achieved if she hadn't been afraid of her powers could possibly push her up into magneto's range. This is also supported by her plasma emissions. That in and of itself is ionizing the air. An atomic level feat in and of itself by applying an electric charge to the matter that the air itself is made out of. And she does that casually, all the time.
So I'm NOT arguing for her position based on potential, I'm arguing for what was seen in the comics themselves.
Originally posted by darthgoober
So everything under High Herald is based solely off of powerset like CBR?And as for why it started, Val's one of the guys you put in charge and he was one of the guys who started pushing for status to be a factor. I'm not saying that you're wrong about status, just pointing out the conflicting views on it(since I'm pretty sure he was bringing up status when Power Girl and Wonder Man were being discussed).
Well, I don't have even self-appointed "in charge" people under lock and key, so there will be disagreements. Leo was also semi-in-charge and he and I don't always see eye to eye. As it is, Val hasn't been active here in a while, so it's pretty much a moot point.
If we start including status, however, there doesn't seem to be anything resembling an objective way to handle it. As such, if you want to use it as a tiebreaker if a character is between two tiers (much like we sometimes do with prep, which isn't technically considered either), it's an acceptable opinion. But status shouldn't change a character's placement.
Also, thanks for reminding me about the Val thing. I went back and edited the first post, since he's been relatively inactive for various reasons. I changed to be either the other mods or leo, whose idea this originally was anyway.
Originally posted by leonidas
hrm. cresh has some good points. her powerset is quite potent. one of the things that ha NOT been mentioned though, was the ORIGINAL purpose of the thread--it was originally designed to make sure that new-comers wouldn't make lop-sided threads. so in THAT sense, how the individual would do in battle with others in their tier DOES play a factor. how do you think jube's would fare against most in the mid tier, cresh?
Excellent points. This should also be remembered when people get too upset over rankings. They're general ranking based on composite votes from teh forum, with the intended purpose of giving newcomers (or even vets occasionally) a rough idea of a character's power level. It's ok to disagree, but don't sweat it if a change you're ardently for gets vetoed.
I really didn't want to do this, but I guess if evidence that's supported by other evidence isn't enough, I'll have to be slightly fanboyic to show why those other feats are not as outrageous as they're being claimed to be.
If you really need a high end feat to hate then I'll tell you of a feat where Jubilee succedded in doing something that Scot, Jean, Cable and Nate Grey all failed to do.
Death 3 wades through Cyclops's optic blasts. Cyclops fails to push him back.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Creshosk/KMC/Jubilee/Cyclopsfails.jpg
He walks through Jean Grey's telekenisis. Jean Grey fails to push him back.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Creshosk/KMC/Jubilee/Jeanfails.jpg
I seem to be having trouble locating the scans of him tearing through a door that Nate was holding together with his TK...
But any way with all that said in done, Jubilee actually manages to knock him backwards.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Creshosk/KMC/Jubilee/Jubileesucceeds.jpg
Something the above mentioned failed to do.
So if you have to hate a feat, don't hate ones that support each other. Hate where she succeeded where other characters failed.
Originally posted by leonidasIf there were sub categories I'd put her in the low end of the mid meta tier.
her most consistent levels (excluding her highest ones) still seem closer to the low end of the spectrum to me, but i can see where you are coming from and she seems to be pretty much in the middle of the 2. were she placed in mid i wouldn't really have a big issue with it.
But since they're aren't I'd say she's a bit closer to mid meta than low meta.
Originally posted by Creshosk
She's gotta be mid meta.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
👆Mid seems fine.
Originally posted by Digi
I'll sign off on Mid.
Originally posted by leonidas
were she placed in mid i wouldn't really have a big issue with it.
I think that's 4 confirmed for mid.
Originally posted by The Nuul
Black Canary and Black Tarantula could beat Jubilee and their LM.Jubs for LM.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Jubilee for low meta.
Two confirmed for Loew Meta.
Originally posted by Digi
[QUOTE=12175501]Originally posted by darthgoober
[B]I could see putting classic Jubilee at mid if the list was based off of powerset alone, but the fact that status also factors into it has me thinking that low meta is more appropriate.
And then Goober who from this would be for mid..
so 4-5 for mid meta
2-3 for low meta.
I'd like goober to confirm after the clarification.
