KMC Comic Book Tiers

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
You put those 3 against Poccy, and here's what he'll say.

Without prep time or his castle full of inventions, Doom's low herald. But he's definitely not mid-herald. Almost everyone on that list can beat him.

Thunderstrike with his Bloodaxe would rape the hell out of Apoc.
Even without it, he is a toned down Thor, and even that is enough for an easy victory.

Powergirl would rip him in half...

Originally posted by batdude123
Most of the people that bran listed off have been outside circumstances.

Surfer? Weakened.

Mephisto? He had Strange's help.

Strange? Dr. Strange has proven to be above Doom many times in sorcery.

Magneto has beaten Thor twice, and has stalemated him once.

They are without question on the same level of power, Smurph.

If Doom goes up, Mags goes up as well.

If not, then Doom being a tier above Magneto is bullshit.

Umm... where exactly did you put Thor beating Magneto?
Because that was in the first battle, and Thor beat him fair and square.
Also, you and I know Thor gets toned down in the Avengers, and even then, I don't recall Mags having the last say...

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Umm... where exactly did you put Thor beating Magneto?
Because that was in the first battle, and Thor beat him fair and square.
Also, you and I know Thor gets toned down in the Avengers, and even then, I don't recall Mags having the last say...

The fight you're referring to gets taken WAY out of context, and is something people show when they think Thor pwns Magneto.

That couldn't be further from the truth.

Magneto was showing up Thor the entire fight, he even made Thor go back to his Donald Blake form as well.

Magneto thought Thor was defeated, because Thor ended up RUNNING AWAY FROM THE FIGHT (that's right, I didn't stutter b*tches!!).

All of a sudden when Erik was working on a machine Thor made a surprise attack on him and Magneto still was able to get his shield up in time.

Thor then absorbed Magneto's shield, and when Thor had Magneto in his grasp, Magneto magnetically shoved Thor backwards. And that's when the match ended.

So there was no owning in that fight. Quite the contrary.

There have been two other instances where they've squared off, and Magneto was shown as the superior.

Again, if Doom gets moved up, Magneto needs to be moved up as well. I really don't feel like getting a shit load of scans to prove my point, so let's just make this as painless as possible, aight people?

Thor owns.

Originally posted by batdude123
The fight you're referring to gets taken WAY out of context, and is something people show when they think Thor pwns Magneto.

That couldn't be further from the truth.

Magneto was showing up Thor the entire fight, he even made Thor go back to his Donald Blake form as well.

Magneto thought Thor was defeated, because Thor ended up [B]RUNNING AWAY FROM THE FIGHT (that's right, I didn't stutter b*tches!!).

All of a sudden when Erik was working on a machine Thor made a surprise attack on him and Magneto still was able to get his shield up in time.

Thor then absorbed Magneto's shield, and when Thor had Magneto in his grasp, Magneto magnetically shoved Thor backwards. And that's when the match ended.

So there was no owning in that fight. Quite the contrary.

There have been two other instances where they've squared off, and Magneto was shown as the superior.

Again, if Doom gets moved up, Magneto needs to be moved up as well. I really don't feel like getting a shit load of scans to prove my point, so let's just make this as painless as possible, aight people? [/B]

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Umm... no he didn't...
He took away Thor's hammer when Thor threw it at him... for some reason Thor forgot that he could call back his hammer... Magneto blasted him back... then he pushed a button, trying to trap Thor in a press, Thor was breaking out, then Magneto shut a door, and Thor's 60 seconds were up...
Thor doesn't have his 60 second timer anymore... and Magneto doesn't have a massive press-like trap...
But when Thor took Magneto down, he did it with his own power...
Then, the cheap bastard activated all his traps, and still couldn't take down the very HUMAN Donald Blake.

Ahh... here's the fight, for you nay-sayers (full fight).
Oh no, I'm trapped.

Magneto stops the hammer from coming back around again... and knocks Thor back (this is where Magneto supposedly beats him... because we know how many times Thor has been beaten by being knocked back). Thor also forces through his walls like paper.

Oh no... he trapped a human! This is how he beats Thor?

Ahh... lets try to kill a human...

Again...

Old Thor is back again, watch out Magneto...

Back ye shield...

Look... he's running away... no, not Thor. He tries to use a bomb to take down Thor.

I guess we can all tell who the victor in that battle was... yes, Magneto... 🙄

Also, when the f*ck is God of War 2 coming out?

Also, I said fair and square, not owned.

You base him being the victor because he blocked his hammer? Am I correct?
I can also only think of one instance, not two...

Well, if I think they are near power, then I have no problem with it.
Just don't feel that Doom is a considered low, along the lines of scum with Apoc (hey trickster?).

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk

Yeah, did I say Magneto beat Thor? No, I merely said it wasn't the owning people usually say it is.

What is the basis for saying Thor owned him in that fight? The only tme Thor got to get close to Magneto and hammer him was because it was a sneak attack. Then he absorbed the shield, and Thor hit him, but Magneto was fine a panel later.

Wow!!! That's an owning right there!!! 😱 🙄

And again, on two other occassions Magneto got the better of Thor.

Dr. Doom can't brag about beating Thor in a fight, can he? He lost their encounter.

I'm not going to say this again, Doom = Magneto. They've been portrayed that way for awhile now.

There's no reason Doom should be there, and Magneto should not be there.

Edit: I know YOU didn't say that, but most people consider that an owning.

And there has been another instance besides the one you're thinking of.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, did I say Magneto beat Thor? No, I merely said it wasn't the owning people usually say it is.

What is the basis for saying Thor owned him in that fight? The only tme Thor got to get close to Magneto and hammer him was because it was a sneak attack. Then he absorbed the shield, and Thor hit him, but Magneto was fine a panel later.

Wow!!! That's an owning right there!!! 😱 🙄

And again, on two other occassions Magneto got the better of Thor.

Dr. Doom can't brag about beating Thor in a fight, can he? He lost their encounter.

I'm not going to say this again, Doom = Magneto. They've been portrayed that way for awhile now.

There's no reason Doom should be there, and Magneto should not be there.

Edit: I know YOU didn't say that, but most people consider that an owning.

And there has been another instance to the one you're thinking of.

Also, I remember two Doom fights, and don't remember him losing either (although I might have to check the second one again).

Still don't recall this other fight...

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Namor already proved to be above him... 😖hifty:

Namor had help. And the panel right before he grabs the table you can see Galactus making it a herald.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
This could have all been avoided if you read the edited post...
EDIT: Whateva sista.

Also, I remember two Doom fights, and don't remember him losing either (although I might have to check the second one again).

Still don't recall this other fight...

Bottom line: If Doom goes up, Magneto goes up as well.

So that's 2 votes for Magneto moving up.

And that's 4 votes for Doom moving down.

Doom moving down to where? High Meta? He's in Low Herald right now, right? Because that's kinda wrong.

Also, Thor's feats >>> Mags' even though Eric's fared well head-to-head. I have a healthy respect for Magneto but is this a push to get him up to High Herald with Thor? Because that's also wonky as hell.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Doom moving down to where? High Meta? He's in Low Herald right now, right? Because that's kinda wrong.

Also, Thor's feats >>> Mags' even though Eric's fared well head-to-head. I have a healthy respect for Magneto but is this a push to get him up to High Herald with Thor? Because that's also kinda wonky.

No, no. Don't misunderstand.

Doom was arbitrarily moved up to mid herald level because a few people said he was powerful enough to be up there. Fine.

I said Magneto was Doom's equal, which is a true statement. If Doom gets moved up, Magneto should as well.

Statements such as Doom beating Warlock came up, which is the reason I said Magneto has gotten the better of Thor before.

So, all I'm saying is that if Doom is mid herald level, then so is Mags. 😬

Magneto should be happy to get herald level as is.

Doom is definitely more of a threat, since his prep usage is consistently better.

And i don't think Powergirl would beat Apoc. She's simply not impressive enough imo.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Doom moving down to where? High Meta? He's in Low Herald right now, right? Because that's kinda wrong.

Also, Thor's feats >>> Mags' even though Eric's fared well head-to-head. I have a healthy respect for Magneto but is this a push to get him up to High Herald with Thor? Because that's also wonky as hell.

Somehow or another, he got put in mid-herald.

I think doom DEFINITELY deserves low herald, and a case could be made for mid.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Magneto should be happy to get herald level as is.

Doom is definitely more of a threat, since his prep usage is consistently better.

And i don't think Powergirl would beat Apoc. She's simply not impressive enough imo.

This isn't about prep time, however.

I think Doom needs to stay put at low herald level.

He was capriciously put up to mid herald level, which is wrong I tells ya!

Originally posted by batdude123
No, no. Don't misunderstand.

Doom was arbitrarily moved up to mid herald level because a few people said he was powerful enough to be up there. Fine.

I said Magneto was Doom's equal, which is a true statement. If Doom gets moved up, Magneto should as well.

Statements such as Doom beating Warlock came up, which is the reason I said Magneto has gotten the better of Thor before.

So, all I'm saying is that if Doom is mid herald level, then so is Mags. 😬

Ah, fair enough. I might be able to co-sign that. Doom's intelligence and sorcery make him seem slightly > Mags in my mind, but it's probably not too far off.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Ah, fair enough. I might be able to co-sign that. Doom's intelligence and sorcery make him seem slightly > Mags in my mind, but it's probably not too far off.

Just so's ya know Digi, Magneto's beaten Doom before.

This isn't for BD...it's more in general:

I still think people value sheer power too much. Would you rather have Thor or Dr. Doom on your side if you had to face, say, Galactus?

Doom, of course. Or Warlock. Or Reed Richards.

And I love Thor, so I'm not hating on him. But we're viewing it in such a narrow way....I think that it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if we ignored the vs. forum rules for a second and considered a more "wholistic" approach, because usually in comics you're not talking about a 1-on-1 to the death scenario. It's a necessary evil for dealing with a vs. forum, but we don't have to be strictly bound by it here.

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both still belong to low herald although mags > doom imo...

Originally posted by DigiMark007
This isn't for BD...it's more in general:

I still think people value sheer power too much. Would you rather have Thor or Dr. Doom on your side if you had to face, say, Galactus?

Doom, of course. Or Warlock. Or Reed Richards.

And I love Thor, so I'm not hating on him. But we're viewing it in such a narrow way....I think that it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if we ignored the vs. forum rules for a second and considered a more "wholistic" approach, because usually in comics you're not talking about a 1-on-1 to the death scenario. It's a necessary evil for dealing with a vs. forum, but we don't have to be strictly bound by it here.

That's fine Digi, however we don't include prep time when deciding these power levels.

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
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both still belong to low herald although mags > doom imo...

Cool.

So that's 5 votes to send Doom back down to low herald level. I think that's enough to put him back, no?

Originally posted by batdude123
That's fine Digi, however we don't include prep time when deciding these power levels.

I'd still pick Doom with 3 seconds of prep time over Thor in a Big G fight though.

But it's all part of the wholistic philosophy. It doesn't necessarily take prep into consideration, but it doesn't not take it into consideration either.

It's more an "Overall Usefullness Factor". That's how I see it at least.