KMC Comic Book Tiers

Originally posted by Creshosk
I've made my case and am not debating the subject just to draw this out to avoid a ruling in her favor. It's clear you didn't even read what I've said or the scans I posted.

I read the stuff you've been saying about her and checking out the scans posted, but I'm not convinced. You're wanting to place her in mid based on potential without enough solid feats to back it up. If we did that for everyone Sentry and Blue Marvel would be Sub Skyfather, Absorbing Man would be mid herald(or higher), and every member of the GL Corp ever would be mid/high herald.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well that's your choice, but I'm not letting it go until my points are addressed. If you want me to shut up so things can move forward and Digi will close the discussion you should really consider it...

I read the stuff you've been saying about her and checking out the scans posted, but I'm not convinced. You're wanting to place her in mid based on potential without enough solid feats to back it up. If we did that for everyone Sentry and Blue Marvel would be Sub Skyfather, Absorbing Man would be mid herald(or higher), and every member of the GL Corp ever would be mid/high herald.

If what were in red were true I'd be pushing for herald levels.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Well thanks for proving you HAVEN'T been reading my posts or scans.

If what were in red were true I'd be pushing for herald levels.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Weren't you talking about what she could do if she were afraid to use her powers like Synch did? That's potential...

Her potential is incredible, because of a feat that 616 jubilee did not display. Her doing what synch did really isn't all that high for her. considering the fact that she HAS detonated matter frequently before.

She provided the majority of the explosion that could be felt a kilometer away on a shiar(skrull) base, effortlessly. That feat coincides with the mansion explosion and the warehouse.

But like I said, you'd already have known this if you'd READ my scans and posts. Now why don't you go back and horribly misinterpret my scans so that you can continue to underrate Jubilee so you can satiate that hidden hatred you have of her?

Also

Originally posted by Philosophía
That's genius.

I'm going to back you up for Jubilee to mid-meta now. uhuh

Do the votes have to be in here or does this make it 13-6?

Originally posted by Creshosk
No, if you looked where I was talking about potential I said that an alternate reality had her being able to make herself turn invisible through controlling light. The way for this to work is that her powers advanced to being able to control matter on a sub-atomic level. This included the gauge bosons, one of which is the photon. which is the carrier particle for electromagnetic radiation. This includes the visible light spectrum. That explains how she was able to do the feat with her powers. But being able to control the photon in such a manner means that if she extrapolated further she could control electromagnetic energy as well as gamma, and x-rays as well. theoretically she could use her powers the same as magneto. pushing her up into his bracket if not further because of the sub-atomic matter control she wouldn't be limited to photons.

Her potential is incredible, because of a feat that 616 jubilee did not display. Her doing what synch did really isn't all that high for her. considering the fact that she HAS detonated matter frequently before.

She provided the majority of the explosion that could be felt a kilometer away on a shiar(skrull) base, effortlessly. That feat coincides with the mansion explosion and the warehouse.

But like I said, you'd already have known this if you'd READ my scans and posts. Now why don't you go back and horribly misinterpret my scans so that you can continue to underrate Jubilee so you can satiate that hidden hatred you have of her?

What page did you post her blowing the shiar base on? It's entirely possible that I overlooked that and from what you're describing it may very well change my opinion of her abilities.

I'm not trying to underrate her, I'm trying to place her accurately. Sorry if my desire to do so interferes with your trying to get her placed at Mid before this stuff gets taken into consideration...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Bat's carries around explosives, but do we consider the blasting power of his explosives when we're deciding what tier he's in?

We should.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I wasn't talking about alternate realities at all, and I wasn't saying that you were trying to. By potential, I mean what she should be able to do in the 616 universe compared to what she actually does. She SHOULD be able to do what Synch did but flatly refuses to because she's afraid to so Synch's feat is irrelevant unless we're basing her abilities off of her potential rather than her history.

Originally posted by darthgoober
What page did you post her blowing the shiar base on? It's entirely possible that I overlooked that and from what you're describing it may very well change my opinion of her abilities.

Gambit throws three cards and a large plasma bubble that Jubilee ionized. Its big enough explosion it knocks Gladiator off his feet.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not trying to underrate her, I'm trying to place her accurately. Sorry if my desire to do so interferes with your trying to get her placed before this stuff gets taken into consideration...

The only difference in that other world is that the shiar took over that place. 616 Bishop and 616 deathbird were there as well. Jubilee, calling herself Vertigo, had the same powers, but demonstrated more refined forms of the control of the sub-atomic particles. It speaks of the potential Jubilee could have achieved had she felt forced to need to develop her powers more. But if you can control photons to control a specific frequency range of electromagnetic radiation, then it's not unreasonable to assume she could go further into learning how to control other frequencies. since it'd be done in the same manner.
In that world she had "control of matter on a sub-atomic level" rather than just "detonation of matter on a sub-atomic level". That speaks to her potential rather than just "She creates a big explosion". Which she's done before.

Originally posted by batdude123
We should.

I mean if we're talking about ALL powers including Intelligence and standard gear? Why isn't he at least in the metahuman tiers?

Originally posted by Creshosk
But being able to control the photon in such a manner means that if she extrapolated further she could control electromagnetic energy as well as gamma, and x-rays as well. theoretically she could use her powers the same as magneto. pushing her up into his bracket if not further because of the sub-atomic matter control she wouldn't be limited to photons.

Magneto also has control of matter on a sub-atomic level.

Originally posted by batdude123
Magneto also has control of matter on a sub-atomic level.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Seriously. Due to his standard equip and training, including chi training, it wouldn't be unreasonable to push him at least into the metahuman tier.

I mean if we're talking about ALL powers including Intelligence and standard gear? Why isn't he at least in the metahuman tiers?

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Originally posted by Creshosk
You mean other than the fact that she's done large scale explosions, and This is just it being described accuratly as to what she's doing rather than claremounts buzz word babble?

Originally posted by Creshosk
It's in the list of scans.

Gambit throws three cards and a large plasma bubble that Jubilee ionized. Its big enough explosion it knocks Gladiator off his feet.

Well I tracked down the scan...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Creshosk/KMC/Jubilee/Uncanny_X-Men_276_09.jpg

... and I must say, I'm not impressed. Not only is it a joint feat between Jubilee and Gambit(who's in the low meta tier), but the "half a kilometer away" is directly above the explosion in the same damn building. Set off an explosion big enough to destroy a room on the lower levels of a skyscraper and they're going to feel it on the upper levels. It doesn't mean that the blast was particularly impressive, it means that the laws of physics were in effect.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No, it just seems that you're trying really hard, pulling some underhanded stunts to do it.

Originally posted by Creshosk
The only difference in that other world is that the shiar took over that place. 616 Bishop and 616 deathbird were there as well. Jubilee, calling herself Vertigo, had the same powers, but demonstrated more refined forms of the control of the sub-atomic particles. It speaks of the potential Jubilee could have achieved had she felt forced to need to develop her powers more. But if you can control photons to control a specific frequency range of electromagnetic radiation, then it's not unreasonable to assume she could go further into learning how to control other frequencies. since it'd be done in the same manner.
In that world she had "control of matter on a sub-atomic level" rather than just "detonation of matter on a sub-atomic level". That speaks to her potential rather than just "She creates a big explosion". Which she's done before.

Originally posted by darthgoober
"half a kilometer away"

Thanks for proving me right:

Originally posted by Creshosk
Now why don't you go back and horribly misinterpret my scans so that you can continue to underrate Jubilee so you can satiate that hidden hatred you have of her?

The scans says "about a kilometer." not "half a kilometer"

But this is why its useless to argue with you. You're not aiming for "Accuracy" like you lied about doing. You've proven me right. You're just trying to draw this out so she doesn't get placed fairly.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Thanks for proving me right:

The scans says "about a kilometer." not "half a kilometer"

But this is why its useless to argue with you. You're not aiming for "Accuracy" like you lied about doing. You've proven me right. You're just trying to draw this out so she doesn't get placed fairly.

But if it makes you feel better, I'll restate my point correctly...

Well I tracked down the scan...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Creshosk/KMC/Jubilee/Uncanny_X-Men_276_09.jpg

... and I must say, I'm not impressed. Not only is it a joint feat between Jubilee and Gambit(who's in the low meta tier), but the "about a kilometer away" is directly above the explosion in the same damn building. Set off an explosion big enough to destroy a room on the lower levels of a skyscraper and they're going to feel it on the upper levels. It doesn't mean that the blast was particularly impressive, it means that the laws of physics were in effect.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I made a mistake when I was typing, it happens(my bad on that one though). I wasn't intentionally trying to mislead people, that would be kinda stupid since an error like that would obviously be noticed and pounced on by you.

But if it makes you feel better, I'll restate my point correctly...

Well I tracked down the scan...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Creshosk/KMC/Jubilee/Uncanny_X-Men_276_09.jpg

... and I must say, I'm not impressed. Not only is it a joint feat between Jubilee and Gambit(who's in the low meta tier),

Originally posted by darthgoober
but the "about a kilometer away" is directly above the explosion in the same damn building. Set off an explosion big enough to destroy a room on the lower levels of a skyscraper and they're going to feel it on the upper levels.

This is wembly stadium. multiply the distance by 10 and you've got about how far away the explosion was felt.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It doesn't mean that the blast was particularly impressive, it means that the laws of physics were in effect.

Please, you're philibustering.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Care to prove that gambit could cause that level of explosion with three cards?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Nearly a mile away?

Originally posted by Creshosk

This is wembly stadium. multiply the distance by 10 and you've got about how far away the explosion was felt.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You're assuming that the kinetic energy decay rate would be low.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Please, you're philibustering.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Care to prove that she could have done it successfully without his help?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Strait up in a building, sure.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It's directly above it in the same building.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And your assuming that it would be high. The difference is, I'm not trying to rank her based on something so ambiguous.

"Gambit and batman can do it too!"

You know what? Prove that they could do it as quickly as she did.

Show me the scans of with a single action in a single panel with what they always have. that they could do that.

It's also too bad that they'd both run out, since they're dependant on items... a handicap that Jubilee doesn't have.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No I'm striving for accuracy in her placement.

Originally posted by darthgoober
If we rank one person based on what they should theoretically be able to do regardless of a lack of solid feats to support it

Originally posted by darthgoober
we'd have to do the same with everybody else.

But go ahead, continue to misinterpret the scan. The vote is sitting at 13-6. (I asked digi)

Originally posted by darthgoober
But leo, don't you think that CIS should be taken into consideration when you're talking about a character that actually refuses to use their powers in the manner that would qualify them for a higher tier? Bat's carries around explosives, but do we consider the blasting power of his explosives when we're deciding what tier he's in?

yep, i agree that CIS should be a factor. it's why i was so torn as regards her placement. she has displayed some decent firepower though, and her ability to attack at range is pretty solid. still, i could honestly see her at EITHER level. she really does seem to fit in the middle.

i also agree that bats should likely be low meta based on brains and standard gear. 😬

looking at the list, i think klaw really needs to move to meta, and i think black canary could also be moved to mid.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Burden of proof is on your shoulders buddy boy. I asked for proof first.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You want to prove the kinetic decay in a shi'ar holding cell was low?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Irrelivant. Kinetic energy tends to be absorbed partially while traveling through an object. Particularly if the material has been designed to contain powerful subjects.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Uh, yeah you are.. because apparently this is a low meta feat to cause an explosion, in a secure area, where shi'ar prisoners are held, a kilometer away. AS is apparently destroying a mansion, and destroying a warehouse.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Bullshit.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Despite HAVING the feats.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And this is a bullshit explanation.. You still proved me right. You're horribly misinterpreting the scan to under rate her.

But go ahead, continue to misinterpret the scan. The vote is sitting at 13-6. (I asked digi)

Anywhere we've been going at it for a while and I have somewhere to be so we can pick this back up when I get home.

Originally posted by iceman24567
What? He's in the same tier as Ms. Marvel, Hawkman, Steel and people of that sort if he gets bumped up then alot of those dudes should too.