KMC Comic Book Tiers

Originally posted by -Pr-
Does Aquaman's telepathy not protect him from misdirection?

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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Oh yeah Fantomex has mental shields...

EDIT: However not sure in what context Pr was refering to didn't think he was talking about reading Fantomexs mind but maybe using it in some way to read the envinronment.

Originally posted by Deadline
Well the question is how tough do you think his brain is? Do you think his brain is tougher than his skin? Obviously his skull is bullet-proof but what were looking at is the blunt forced trauma shockwave going through his eye socket and reaching his brain. Some gunpowder is bound to get through and singe his brain and it's possible that fragments of the bullet may break off and go through his eyesocket (Or would it just flatten? His bullets are ceramic.) I doubt that Aquamans TP would help he's used it against Wolverine, a reality warper, one of Apocalypse's sentient ships and I'm pretty sure hes used it on Psycloke at some point (long time since I read X-force).

I dunno maybe, I thought we always had discussions in tier threads?

I don't know if it would knock him out, but I'd lean on the side of not.

I just don't want to derail it is all.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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I haven't read any real Fantomex stories since Morrison... Like a decade ago. Be nice, especially after leaving me hanging in those threads.

Like I said mm for fantomex seems best but whatever you guys want. Who are some other proposals?

Lets get these sorted out before we move on:

cosmic ghost rider?

domino? lm?

ironheart? hm?

devil dino? mm? moon girl? ms because of her brains, or higher?

shuri? lm?

squirrel girl???

gentle? mm?

namor?? lh??

mr terrific? mm?

jon? lh?

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't know if it would knock him out, but I'd lean on the side of not.

Yea I think you maybe right, he might have some vulnerability to bullets but he is still very tough.

Originally posted by leonidas
Like I said mm for fantomex seems best but whatever you guys want. Who are some other proposals?

Yea MM seems right for Fantomex.

*Went ahead and bumped Fantomex up to MM.

Anyone else want to weigh-in on leo's above proposals before I add them to the list? I have a few that I'd like to propose as well.

I've no strong opinions either way on any of them. I wouldn't even know where to start with someone like Domino.

Originally posted by Philosophía
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For some of the ones leo proposed...

domino - low-meta
namor - against him being moved to low herald
mr teriffic - against mid meta, low meta, imo
jon - I'd wait. He's just been aged up to teenage years.

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Cosmic Ghost Rider - I'd wait. Might be a "King Hyperion" type, where he's the hot shit in alts.
Ironheart - what feats does she have? or is it solely because she's in an Iron Man-ish armor?
Shuri - no to lm. she doesn't have T'Challa's feats. It's like moving Nightwing to LM
Squirrel Girl - I wouldn't put her in at all.

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leo really went into the obscura with some of those proposals, lol. I'll see if anyone else wants to give an opinion before I add them.

While I'm thinking about it, here are a few of my own 'obscure' proposals that I'd like some opinions on:
Ninjak- LM?
Invincible/Omni-Man/Conquest- MH?
Supreme (original)- MH?
Thragg- HH?
Jesus (TWD)- LS?

Oh, man. The Invincible Universe. I don't know if I want to touch that, lol.

While they do have feats, imo, they're not on some of the more insane levels you can find in the herald tier in DC/Marvel. And while I'm a fan of relative showings, this is like ranking Dragonball Z characters - where Saiyan Saga Vegeta can be a high-herald....and Boo saga SSJ2 Vegeta can be a high-herald....but relative showings put them several tiers apart.

For what it's worth, I'd put Invincible/Omni-Man/Conquest at mid [end of series all], and Thragg at high/trans.

Big Barda to low herald? This should be an easy one, given the physicals/motherbox/rod.

Or... maybe higher?

Originally posted by Phil
Oh, man. The Invincible Universe. I don't know if I want to touch that, lol.

While they do have feats, imo, they're not on some of the more insane levels you can find in the herald tier in DC/Marvel. And while I'm a fan of relative showings, this is like ranking Dragonball Z characters - where Saiyan Saga Vegeta can be a high-herald....and Boo saga SSJ2 Vegeta can be a high-herald....but relative showings put them several tiers apart.

For what it's worth, I'd put Invincible/Omni-Man/Conquest at mid [end of series all], and Thragg at high/trans.

Feel like MH is good for Invincible/Omni-Man/Conquest. Thragg is the bigger "?" for me. Seems like he should be at least HH(and yeah, possibly even trans) based on the majority of his showings. /shrug

Originally posted by Phil
Big Barda to low herald? This should be an easy one, given the physicals/motherbox/rod.

Or... maybe higher?

Barda at Low Herald sounds good to me.

Shuri has magic which is why I said lm. I don’t know invincible at all but from what I’ve seen I’d have thought lh. Can those guys actually hang with some of the people in that tier?? Given some of his feats and gear I’d almost say mm for ninjak. Barda to lh for sure. Supreme was someone I was gonna bring up. I could see him being at least mh. I’d have suggested hh but either is ok I guess. He was pretty definitively above glads though if we look at the xover. Ironheart does have a couple pretty good feats but the armour and the brains seem to place her above mm IMO though either would likely be fine.

I'll just toss a few other characters, before I forget them..

Max Lord - high-meta? low-herald?
Catman - mid/high street?
Deadman - ???
Grail - high herald? Johns pumped her up, then Robinson [typically] brought her down
Simon Baz/Jessica - mid-herald?

*Added Domino to LM, Devil Dinosaur to MM, and Moon Girl to LM. I'll hold off on adding Cosmic GR and Jon until they do a bit more. Didn't mess with the rest of leo's proposals because it doesn't seem like there is a consensus right now.

Here are the rest of the current proposals that need to be sorted out:

Ninjak
Invincible/Omni-Man/Conquest
Supreme (original)
Thragg
Jesus (TWD)
Big Barda
Max Lord
Catman
Deadman
Grail
Simon Baz/Jessica

Deadman I'd put at LH. Yes, that high.

He's pretty haxx, unless you're haxx yourself (Flash being too fast, Constantine being too dirty).

And yet, I would bet on the higher end magic users (Fate/Strange etc) smoking him.

*I'd second Deadman to LH.

Originally posted by leonidas
I don't know invincible at all but from what I've seen I'd have thought lh. Can those guys actually hang with some of the people in that tier??

Supreme was someone I was gonna bring up. I could see him being at least mh. I'd have suggested hh but either is ok I guess. He was pretty definitively above glads though if we look at the xover.

Given some of his feats and gear I'd almost say mm for ninjak.

I was thinking LM for Ninjak mainly because that's where Batman is, and I see them as about equal with their tech and physicality.

Max Lord - high-meta? low-herald?--> i'd say hm.

Catman - mid/high street?--> love catman but ms for me.

Deadman - ???--> such a tough character to place. lh seems ok

Grail - high herald? Johns pumped her up, then Robinson [typically] brought her down--> hm. guess i haven't seen her most recent showings. i'd have said lh. and even lh is a bump down from where she was initially.

Simon Baz/Jessica - mid-herald?--> defer