Re: KMC Comic Book Tiers
Sub-Skyfather (Transcendent)
Amazo, The Asgardian Destroyer,Black Racer, Blackheart, Blaze, Circe, Count Abyss, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Dr. Fate, Dr. Strange (classic), Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, The General (Shaggy Man), Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), Jenny Quantum, The Keeper, King Thor, Magus (original), Mangog, Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Queen of Fables, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Solomon Grundy (Peak), Stayne, Strange Visitor, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Tanaraq, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), Validus
Herald
High
Adam Warlock, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Cyborg Superman, The Eradicator (Fortress Mode), Genis-Vell, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), Infinity-Man, Majestic, Moonstone (w/ both stones), The Sentry, The Silver Surfer, Sinestro, Spartan 3.0, Stardust, Superman (B/R and AS), Thor, The Void
Middle
Alexander Nero, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Cpt. Comet,Captain Marvel (DC), Damien Hellstrom, Doomsday, The Fallen One, Firelord, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John, Katma, Kilowog), Hyperion, Ikaris, Imperiex Probes, Kid Omega, Magus (Post-IG), Martian Manhunter, Maxima, Mon-El, Morg, Nate Grey, Orion, Quasar, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Skreet, Supergirl, Supreme, Swamp Thing, Terrax the Tamer, Void, Waverider, Wildfire, Wonder Woman
Low
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Animal Man, Apocalypse, Apollo, Argent, The Atom, Aztek, Bizarro Superman, Breach, Cassandra Nova, Cir-El, Count Nefaria, Damage, Darkness, Darwin, Death Metal, Dr. Doom, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Engineer, Etrigan, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Firestorm, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Gamora (w/Godslayer), Gilgamesh, Gorilla Grodd, Graviton, Green Lantern (Soranik Natu), He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hulk, Iceman, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jack of Hearts, Jenny Sparks, Jericho, Juggernaut (Classic), Kalibak, Lightray, Living Monolith, Lobo, Loki, Lunatik, Magneto, Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Manchester Black, Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Pulsar), Mr. M, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Prime, Professor X, Raven, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Sersi, Shadow King, Shaman, Starhawk, Super Skrull, Superboy, Tempest, Ultra Boy, Ultra-Humanite, Ultron, Union, Vulcan, Winter, Zauriel
Metahuman (Mid-tier "Iron Man" level)
High
Abomination, Adam Strange, Aquaman, Ares (Marvel), Atlas, Aurora, Batman 1 Million, Blastaar, Blob, Captain Britain, Captain Marvel Jr, Colossus, Donna Troy, Emma Frost, Ghost Rider II, Grim Reaper, Guardian I, Hercules (Mortal), Holocaust, The Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Iron-Man, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Juggernaut (Depowered), Kang, Karate Kid, Living Laser, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Sinister, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Nightshade, Nimrod, Northstar, Ocean Master, Osiris, Pitt, Plastic-Man, Polaris, Power Girl, Psylocke, Sand, Sasquatch, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Supernova, Temugin, The Thing, Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Vision, War Machine, Wonder Man, Zzaxx
Middle
Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes), Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Box, Carnage, Cloak, Crystal, Cyborg, Cyclops, Death's Head II, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Ghost Rider(Dan Ketch), Grace Choi, Havok, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, M.O.D.O.K., Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nico Minoru, Ogun, Quicksilver (classic), Radioactive Man, Ragman, Rogue, rom, Shadowcat, Shift, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Tiger Shark, Toxin, Vance Astro, Vengeance, Wonder Girl, Enchantress
Low
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Blue Beetle (Dan Garrett), Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Cyber, Dagger, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Machine Man, Man-Bat, Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Molly Hayes, Multiple Man, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Nuke, Omega Red, Orka Humbug, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Speedball, Speedfreek, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2099, Spider-Woman, Swift, Thunder Cats, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Venom, Vermin, Victor Mancha, Vulture, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Warpath, Wizard, Wolverine, Wulfgar
Street Level
High
Bane, Batgirl, Batman, Black Cat, Black Panther, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, Captain America, The Cat, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Hush, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Ravager, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Taskmaster, Union Jack, X-23
Middle
Red Hood , Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Crossbones, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Joker, Mach IV, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Nomad, Peacemaker, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Turok, Wildcat
Low
Alfred, Batroc, Black Widow, Catwoman, Colleen Wing, Night Thrasher, Penguin, The Question, Riddler, Robin, Talia, White Tiger
And I vote no for Storm.
Originally posted by BlueDMighty
If the list is based on feats, versatility, and comparable power levels and showings,I don't see why she couldn't be moved up.
Has this already been discussed?
Beta aslo beat Thor h2h before he was gifted mystical "gifts" (twice)
BRB and Thor stalemated and were both knocked out. Bill only won because Odin made the battle in an environment that allowed him to heal faster than Thor. That's PIS, and does nothing to belay my earlier assessment of Thor = BRB in brawling, but Thor >> BRB in terms of versatility.
As for Storm, matchups aren't everything, but I couldn't find 1 person on the Low Herald list that she would beat the majority of the time. She's where she belongs.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
BRB and Thor stalemated and were both knocked out. Bill only won because Odin made the battle in an environment that allowed him to heal faster than Thor. That's PIS, and does nothing to belay my earlier assessment of Thor = BRB in brawling, but Thor >> BRB in terms of versatility.As for Storm, matchups aren't everything, but I couldn't find 1 person on the Low Herald list that she would beat the majority of the time. She's where she belongs.
I'm not an ass, so Fair.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Nor am I ( 😉 ). I'm just stating my opinion. It seems like jebus was agreeing with you last page about BRB though, so it's possible to gain some support for these things. I'm only one voice.
Fair. i just did't feel like turning your democratic thread into fan's debate.
(i do still think the way i think though. C'mon Bill 💃 )
Originally posted by BlueDMighty
If the list is based on feats, versatility, and comparable power levels and showings,I don't see why she couldn't be moved up.
Has this already been discussed?
Beta aslo beat Thor h2h before he was gifted mystical "gifts" (twice)
Regarding Storm: No. And if you keep this up, I'll bring in my scans of Apocalypse WTFPWNing her. 😛
BRB: Hmmm. If you give the dude some more feats and show that he can use the hammer as well as Thor, then I might consider it. But like Digi said, there's a versatility gap.
wtf has he done though? You mention 1 feat of stalemating Thor and everyone seems to be in agreement. Hell, Classic Nova has stalemated Thor, and he's in Low Herald. It's one thing to hold your own, quite another to beat someone at that level.
Maybe he does belong there....I just haven't seen anything resembling evidence so far.
Well, it's the only showing he has of actually personally engaging in a fight that took effort... which would put him at an average of stalemating Thor, no? Not to mentioned he was weakened for the fight, and stated to be at a fraction of his power when he wasn't weakened.
Plus he absorbed Mjolnir... and was stated to have world-destroying potential.
Plus he could concievably dump anyone in Doop Land, which would drive them insane. He rescued his entire team from there and dumped them back on Earth in under a second.
Originally posted by DigiMark007Captain Britain for high herald then.
wtf has he done though? You mention 1 feat of stalemating Thor and everyone seems to be in agreement. Hell, Classic Nova has stalemated Thor, and he's in Low Herald. It's one thing to hold your own, quite another to beat someone at that level.Maybe he does belong there....I just haven't seen anything resembling evidence so far.
Originally posted by Jebus rebornDoop has no actual low showings.
Well, if stalemating Thor makes Doop at that level... then by all means, someone who has better, and more feats, along with the Thor feat, then why isn't Britain a high herald, or even a mid.
And it's unproven that any attack of Thor's could put him down, when he was actually engaged in the fight.
Someone who can stalemate Thor by absorbing his best attack, and duplicating his weapon multiple times over >> Someone who can stalemate him in strength and durability.
Which Doop also seemed to do as well
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphWhat about having a hard time fighting Wolverine... without claws?
Doop has no actual low showings.And it's unproven that any attack of Thor's could put him down, when he was actually engaged in the fight.
Someone who can stalemate Thor by absorbing his best attack, and duplicating his weapon multiple times over >> Someone who can stalemate him in strength and durability.
Which Doop also seemed to do as well
Thor almost put him down with one shot in that fight... I don't care if he was weakened or not, it wasn't unsure if Thor could put him down.
Thor's hammer toss is his best attack?
What the hell else is Britain going to use? Plus, Thor did crank him with his hammer to no effect...
Originally posted by Jebus rebornX-statix minis are a joke... they're meant to be. He was running around with a Wolverine who appeared to have inhaled a dictionary, fighting "Pink Psychos", and having sex with a mink. Besides, he looked hurt, but he's always completley fine in the next panel.
What about having a hard time fighting Wolverine... without claws?Thor almost put him down with one shot in that fight... I don't care if he was weakened or not, it wasn't unsure if Thor could put him down.
Thor's hammer toss is his best attack?
What the hell else is Britain going to use?
He almost did before hand... then Doop came back, Thor tried the same thing, and it failed. So, plausibly, Doop could have done that the first time as well.
No, but Mjolnir strikes are up there.
Exactly.